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Anthony_Maola
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The Bible is wrong.

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Started: 11/9/2014 Category: Religion
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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atheist-eo

Pro

In the Bible, often entire verses, stories, and anecdotes were falsified for the sake of making a point. Even the concept of the "holy trinity" is a fabrication created not by any god, but for political reasons by a zealot named Theophilus of of Antioch in 412 AD.

In the Bible, God is omniscient and knows everything, including everything that has happened and will happen, as well as every thought your mind creates before you think it. If that's the case, there is no "free will."

In the Bible, God is omnipotent, and can do anything and he will forgive if you're 'truly' sorry. Problem is, if their God can do anything but doesn't lift a finger to stop all the disasters, massacres and wars that have happened killing millions (including christians) that are happening now and will happen in the future, their God is also a psychopath who enjoys watching our misery.

And if the Christian God is not omniscient or omnipotent... well, in that case their God is not a "god" and doesn't exist.

If something exists, it can be scientifically quantified (measured and evaluated relative to its mass, energy, location, capabilities, and other qualities). For example, scientists have quantified millions of items ranging from from dark holes in outer space to tiny atomic particles (such as the recently discovered Higgs Boson). If something cannot be scientifically quantified, it does not exist (in the real universe).

In Lisbon in 1755 an earthquake struck on Sunday, November 1st (All saints day) at 09:40am, almost everyone was in their churches and killing up to 100.000 people in one of the most catholic cities in Europe at the time, in the Bible it says that 'God' is omnipresent and omnipotent and he will forgive you if you are truly sorry,but why killing almost half of Lisbon's population if it was one of the most catholics and crime-free cities at the time, why not other (more 'sinful') cities? Why didn't he give some warning before striking?
Anthony_Maola

Con

First I'd like to start by saying that the Bible should not be taken literally. The Bible is a tool that people all over the world use to grow closer to God.
Your first problem is your answering your own question. Free will is something we are given by God and allows us to make choices for yourself. The reason he gives us this is because he loves us. I know that might not make sense but think about it, would you appreciate it more if some gave you money because they wanted to rather then they were forced to. The greatest acts are done out of love.
And the reason we know God exist is because we have faith. Faith is the gift of knowing with out seeing. We don't know if there are other life forms outside earth but we make the connection based off the evidence given to us.
As to the earthquake, There are things that we humans won't and don't understand until be come face to face with God.
Debate Round No. 1
atheist-eo

Pro

http://www.debunkingskeptics.com...

Insects do not have four feet

Lev 11:21 Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth
upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the
earth;

Lev 11:22 Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and
the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the
grasshopper after his kind.

Lev 11:23 But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet,
shall be an abomination unto you.

They have six. In fact, NOTHING that can fly has four feet.
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Rabbits do not chew their cud

Lev 11:6 And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.

They only appear to, due to mistaken human perception. How could an all knowing God not know this?
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The Earth is not flat

Yet these verses indicate that the Earth must either be flat, square or rectangle!

Isaiah 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Revelation 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

How can the Earth have four corners if it's sphere-shaped? Four corners indicate either a flat, square or rectangular structure!
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The Earth is not motionless

Psalms 104:5 The Earth is firmly fixed; it shall not be moved.

1 Chronicles 16:30 Tremble before him, all the earth! The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved.

The Earth is moving constantly 24 hours a day in its path around the Sun!
Anthony_Maola

Con

Anthony_Maola forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
atheist-eo

Pro

Still waiting for my opponent to debate.

Posting this to avoid forfeiting.
Anthony_Maola

Con

Anthony_Maola forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
atheist-eo

Pro

Still waiting for my opponent to debate.

Posting this to avoid forfeiting.
Anthony_Maola

Con

Anthony_Maola forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Conservative101 2 years ago
Conservative101
Pro, if you want less opponent forfeitures, I would suggest upping the elo requirement or making a rule disallowing any user to accept who's been on the site for less than a few months.
Posted by funnycn 2 years ago
funnycn
This debate is so silly...
Posted by Vovka 2 years ago
Vovka
About what?
Posted by cheyennebodie 2 years ago
cheyennebodie
God knows what will happen in peoples lives simply because he understands spiritual law. He said, " every man will reap what he sows." God sees what we sow in words and deeds and sees the outcome.When a man says, " that just makes me sick", he sees sickness heading your way.When a man says " I am healed by the stripes of Jesus", he sees healing heading in your direction.

Jesus taught that . He said," out of the good deposit in a man's heart, good things come to pass. And out of the evil deposit in a man's heart, evil comes to pass. For out of the abundance of a man's heart, the mouth speaks".He also said, " life and death are in the power of the tongue."

One thing God will never do is force anyone to choose actions or words, or what voices we listen to.
Posted by chewster911 2 years ago
chewster911
It's an interesting topic (although pretty cliche). I will follow this debate to see how it comes out.
Posted by thisnameasused 2 years ago
thisnameasused
I am almost tempted to tackle this debate because of how disjointed it is - I'm an atheist. You have rambled a lot and you present many subjective views which should hold no bearing in such a statement - 'the bible is wrong'. Some of your points are not well thought out and therefore invalid. Saying we, as a species, have zero free will because a supernatural being knows what we are going to do before we do it does not mean that we have no choice - this view of mine is purely based on your statement. Your statement therefore has holes. Either plug these holes or hope that no savvy theist comes along and observes what I have.
Posted by Emilrose 2 years ago
Emilrose
If there's no such thing as "wrong", then how possibly can the Bible be "wrong"?

If there's no G-d and no fixed set of morals and ideals, then obviously such a thing doesn't exist--which again is a big contradiction in this type of argument.
Posted by TheSymbiote 2 years ago
TheSymbiote
Ugh, this again. I come back on this website and see this junk!

EVERYTHING IS WRONG! THERE IS NO GOD!

The Bible is a noun. It doesn't only have meaning to people who believe in jesus christ
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