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The Calgary Flames are better than the Vancouver Canucks

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/25/2009 Category: Sports
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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dpflames786

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Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, thank you for reading about this topic of utmost importance. The Vancouver Canucks are NOT better than the Calgary Flames.

The Vancouver Canucks - A professional ice hockey team in the National Hockey League based in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada.

The Calgary Flames - A professional hockey team in the National Hockey League based in Calgary, Alberta, Canada.

I will start by stating my 3 pillars:

1. The Calgary Flames are currently higher up in the standings than the Vancouver Canucks

2. The Calgary Flames have won more Stanley Cups than the Vancouver Canucks

3. The Calgary Flames are a much more well rounded team.

(1)According to nhl.com, the Calgary Flames are currently higher up in the league standings than the Vancouver Canucks. The Calgary Flames have thus far accumulated 45 points in 36 games and are 11th in the league. On the other hand, the Vancouver Canucks have accumulated 42 points in 37 seven games, and sit 3 spots lower than the Flames at 14 in the league. Teams' overall performances are reflected by the standings. If a team higher up in the standings, he is a better team than the teams that are lower than him. As the Vancouver Canucks are lower than the Calgary Flames in the current standings, the Calgary Flames are reflected to be better than the Vancouver Canucks.

I will elaborate on my next 2 pillars in my next argument.

Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://www.nhl.com...
Im_Never_Wrong

Con

You are making this unclear my dear friend. While you, the instigator, have made a brilliant debate for yourself to win, you have underestimated the opponent.

1. 3 of the Calgary Flames players have recently been involved with under-the-radar media scandals. While we are still on the scandalous topic; the Calgary Flames team is currently under fire for being too greedy. They set up they're own Swine Flu Vaccine Clinic illegally, just for their team and family, when other people in greater need are having to wait.

2. President Ken King of the Calgary Flames is also currently under some major fire due to scandals. I have taken on the offensive, targeting individual players instead of the whole team. You have not defined whether it is, on field or off field behavior in which we are judging them and now you have posted your opening statement you cannot change this.

3. To be specific; although the Canucks are only 3 points behind the Flames at the time i posted this, The Canucks are 10 POINTS AHEAD OF THE FLAMES in home game ratios.

You have not defined your definition of better in this debate. Therefore i can basically say that the Vancouver Canucks are at least better in one way because the Canucks team logo was voted 3 places better than the Flames logo. Although this is, im sure, not what the average person would assume would be the general definition of better, i have chosen to take advantage of this. :)

I do not follow the league that the Flames & Canucks play in, As i am Australian. But a debate is a debate, and this is only my 3rd day on here, so feel free to correct my mistakes :)

Sources:
http://flames.nhl.com...
http://canucks.nhl.com...
http://sports.espn.go.com...
Debate Round No. 1
dpflames786

Pro

Your arguments are smart, but flawed.

Rebuttal:

1. The H1N1 flu vaccinations were also given to the Vancouver Canucks ahead of time, and the Canucks were as well in fire with the media. Both vaccinations, though, were not illegal. The media was merely mad at BOTH these teams for jumping the lines and going to private vaccination clinics. The Canucks are not better than the Flames as they both jumped the lines.

2.Please elaborate. I have not found a news post against Ken King, unless you are referring to the H1N1 shots, which have already been rebutted.

3. The Flames are 13 points ahead in away game ratios. Also, it does not matter how much worse the Canucks are doing. The fact is that the Flames are doing BETTER than the Canucks, in less games.

I can not distinguish more than one point. Please elaborate.

I will now elaborate on my second pillar.

2. The Calgary Flames have had a 29 year history. In those 29 years, they have won 1 Stanley Cup. The Vancouver Canucks on the other hand, have not won any Stanley Cups in their 39 year history. The Vancouver Canucks have a 0% success rate in Stanley Cups, while the Flames have 3% success rate. As the Stanley Cup is given to the BEST team in the league, the Flames are better.

Sources:

http://www.vancouversun.com...

http://en.wikipedia.org...

http://en.wikipedia.org...
Im_Never_Wrong

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Im_Never_Wrong forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
dpflames786

Pro

No need...
Im_Never_Wrong

Con

Im_Never_Wrong forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
dpflames786

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no need...
Im_Never_Wrong

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Im_Never_Wrong forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
dpflames786

Pro

dpflames786 forfeited this round.
Im_Never_Wrong

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Im_Never_Wrong forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by dpflames786 7 years ago
dpflames786
Read my arguments!
Posted by InsertNameHere 7 years ago
InsertNameHere
Calgary Flames, boo! Vancouver Canucks all the way! :P
Posted by dpflames786 7 years ago
dpflames786
I know I'm waiting for it to finish! :)
Posted by Koopin 7 years ago
Koopin
dpflames786, you win. Im_Never_Wrong's account got closed.
Posted by dpflames786 7 years ago
dpflames786
Thanks!
Posted by Im_Never_Wrong 7 years ago
Im_Never_Wrong
I accepted it purely for the fact that I am new and looking for a debate and although it isn't the best debate topic, dpflames seems to be getting offended no one is accepting the arguement :)
Posted by Kinesis 7 years ago
Kinesis
Sorry, but one wants a five round slog fest. Change it to three rounds, or you're likely to get A. A troll or B. Someone arguing semantics (arguing that nothing is intrinsically 'better' than anything else in probably the most likely).
Posted by dpflames786 7 years ago
dpflames786
ARGHH! Somebody debate with me!
Posted by dpflames786 7 years ago
dpflames786
Wow Nails... you are a very strong debater! My brother (bigtree) is our debate captain. He is really good yet he still is losing to you. Good job! Especially considering that you were playing the devil's advocate!

P.S. Good computer!
Posted by Nails 7 years ago
Nails
"Nails: lolz and (PC>MAC)"

I know. I was playing devil's advocate in that debate. I am using a Dell laptop with Windows 7 at the moment.
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