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gt4o2007
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theorangepolo
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The Catholic Church a force for good?

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 6/13/2013 Category: Religion
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 919 times Debate No: 34761
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gt4o2007

Con

In this debate we will not be discussing the bible or god.
Pro will have to prove it is a force for good and rebut
Con will have to prove it is not a force for good and rebut
The way it will be decided on if it is good or not good will be if more than half of the things done are not good.

Good-Of a favorable tendency or character. http://www.merriam-webster.com...

Both Con and Pro can go as far back in history and use any evidence supporting there position that can be proven that it happened in history.

First round for Pro should be used to state his position and his evidence.
theorangepolo

Pro

I accept.

I would like to begin by asserting my side of this by saying that The Catholic Church has been a force for good. Although there are many things which can be argued against the goodness of The Catholic Church I know that fundamentally The Catholic Church remains a force for good.

My Arguments will be based on:

-Technological Advances,

-Cultural and Political,

-Morality and Psychological Helpfulness,


"This is my first serious debate, I hope we both have fun!"
Debate Round No. 1
gt4o2007

Con

I would like to thank my opponent for accepting this debate,
"Technological Advances" I am assuming that you are referring to scientists that are catholic like Georges Lemaitre who proposed the Big Bang theory. http://en.wikipedia.org... can you tell me more of what you mean be Technological Advances and what advanced due to the catholic church.

"Cultural and Political" I would like to know exactly what you are talking about I know that the church has missionaries but other than this I do not see how it is helping in this way.

"Morality and Psychological Helpfulness" Well I disagree with this because of how the catholic church got to become as big as it is, is threw the crusades.

Now I would like to provide what I will be talking about.
1.The Crusades
2. Church in WW2
3.Church on Abortion
4.Molestation within the church

The crusades were initiated threw and by the catholic church not always against Muslims but also against pagans and heretics and people under the ban of excommunication for a mixture of religious, economic, and political reasons. Nearly 5 million people died due to the multiple crusades of the Catholic church fighting for the "Holy Lands".

The Catholic church in WW2 historian, Robert P. Ericksen, writes, "Catholic priest and bishops held no public protest. Instead, they prayed for support for Germany's cause, seeking to show that their support for Hitler was undiminished." The Vatican was the first group to offer a treaty to Hitler's regime giving them credibility with major countries. When the Nazis came to power the Catholic Church forced the Centre party the only opposition to Hitler's regime to dissolve perhaps the most important thing to pave the way for genocide.http://en.wikipedia.org...(Germany)

The Catholic Church and abortion- You can argue that the churches stance on abortion is part of what you call the Moral thing they have to offer but I will refute this. Savita Halappanavar was a Hindu Indian suffering from a miscarriage she went to a Irish hospital and was denied a life saving abortion due the Irish laws inspired by the Irish Archbishop. Now despite the recent death they official response from the Church is that all abortion is wrong even to save the mother's life. http://en.wikipedia.org... http://www.catholic.com...

Molestation within the church- After changes by U.S. bishops, the church claimed smugly to have removed all rapist priests from active ministry, and that children and communities were safe. Despite the "Changes" within the church there are still rapes taking place by some of the same rapist priests supposedly "removed" from communities and children. There is a priest in Wisconsin who admitted to molesting over 200 deaf boys the priest had protectors in high places at the Vatican. And one of his protectors was Pope Benedict XVI while he was the Pope. http://articles.latimes.com... http://www.americancatholic.org... http://www.globalpost.com...
theorangepolo

Pro

theorangepolo forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
gt4o2007

Con

Same argument as before my opponent as of a couple hours ago has deactivated his account. Based on how my opponent conducts debates he is not reliable with the only other debate he was in he also forfeited.
theorangepolo

Pro

theorangepolo forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
gt4o2007

Con

Well then, I guess my opponent never will participate in a serious debate.
theorangepolo

Pro

theorangepolo forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
gt4o2007

Con

Same as before.
theorangepolo

Pro

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Debate Round No. 5
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