The Christian God (as stated by the Bible) exists.
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My opponent is affirming the existence of the Christian god of the Bible. Seeing as he is making the affirmation, he also has the burden of proof, or the responsibility to show what he affirms is true. So, I'll leave that to my opponent.
Note: Don't find a way to turn this into a semantics debate, that's not the point. Please provide reasonable arguments, and PLEASE know what you are talking about before accepting this debate. Look forward to it. Thanks.
1." Remember the former things long past, for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things which have not been done… " Isaiah 48:3, 5
This is stating that God is obviously the only God, and no one can come close to His power. This obviously shows he exists.
2. "And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them." 2 Kings 2:23-24
This is showing that he is unkind to those who mock Him, as He is almighty. Though these children are now in Satan's clutches. But who could have done that besides the Lord Himself?
3. Divine Healing
A spiritual bond with Him is one if the ways to happiness, and when one has happiness, he finds that much is better in life. He has a reason to live, a reason to be here. One finds themselves miraculously refreshed, and a newfound point in life. This "invisible" object, or idol, is real and with a bond with said person.
4. The Creation of the Universe
How did the universe come to be? Well, He made it. The Big Bang simply does not make sense. How could there be nothing between many things? It's simply too much to fathom. So, He, our Lord, made the Universe. You may state that how could He exist with nothing to exist in, but this is a paradox and beside the point. What this statement says is that this is further proof there is a higher being.
5. Humans in General
Humans need something to believe in. It's within our nature. However, how could this nature come to be? We could not start this ourselves. We were designed in a certain way, of course with differences. This accounts for the creation and nature of humans. We were designed in His image, His way.
1. This is the quote from a book. Not a text book, or educational book of any kind, but a book supposedly written over 1900 years ago. It should also be noted that the Bible also offers no scientific proof or any other proof, and only bluntly asserts that God is real. My opponent has provided no reason to believe that this book has any relevancy, and therefore it should be treated as irrelevant. Until my opponent shows that the Bible is a credible source, the information within holds no value in an educational debate.
2. Also from the Bible, same fallacy as was committed in point 1.
3. I'm not completely sure how this proves, or even strongly suggests anything. Let's break this down.
"A spiritual bond with Him is one if the ways to happiness"
The fact that some may be happy believing in God does not actually show his legitimacy in any way. Believing in the things that go bump in the night might make me all fuzzy on the inside, but it doesn't make that real either. This is not any sort of science or logic, seems to be nonsensical, and should be treated as such.
"One finds themselves miraculously refreshed"
I'm a little confused if this has a bit of a deeper meaning, or if I'm just reading into it. Are you saying that good things happen to people, and this must be God? Yes, it is true that good things can happen to people, but it doesn't make it God. If a child with cancer dies is that God? You would say no. If a child with cancer lives is that God? Yes, you would say. You can attribute all the good things you want to God, but that does not make him real. Also, notice that no impossible miracle has ever happened. In other words, something that could NOT happen without the existence of God. For instance, all of the amputees growing their limbs back. If God did that, it would be a great and merciful miracle. In fact, God has chances to make amazing miracles happen all the time. But do they ever happen? I think not.
4.Ah, the origin of the universe. You ask how the universe came to be. Let me ask, how did God come to be? It is logical that there must have been some uncaused cause (just ask if you don't agree with the logic, or ask me to explain the logic). But why does this uncaused cause have to be God? There is no reason to assume such a thing. Let's look at two possible ways that the universe could be here.
A) An infinite God created the universe, and does not interact with it in any noticeable way.
B) The universe is infinite.
Occam's Razor says not to unnecessarily multiple entities, or in other words, the simplest solution to a problem that works, is probably the right one. Using this, one can see that B is the obvious choice. The universe and the matter and energy within it has existed infinitely. The first law of thermodynamics simply backs this up, as it says that matter can neither be created nor destroyed. It's only logical that an infinite entity COULDN'T be destroyed. As for A, there is no reason to add that extra 'God' entity in there. It does not make any more sense, and does not explain any better the origin of the universe.
5. Your arguments sounds like this, and correct me if I'm wrong. You are saying that because humans want to believe in a God, this makes him real? First of all, no no no no no. This doesn't make any sort of logical sense. Humans want all sorts of things. Some humans want drugs. Do we have an obligation to do drugs? Some humans like to kill other humans. Does this justify murder? Some humans desire to kill themselves. Does that make suicide an ok thing to do, and are we going against our very core nature when we try to get them to back up from the ledge? No. This arguments holds no ground, and has no evidence or logic of any sort backing it up. I ask that my opponent rethink this argument.
In summary, my opponent has failed to show how a God exists, and has failed to create an argument that even remotely vouches for 'His' existence. I thank my opponent for accepting this debate once again, and I look forward to his/her response. Thank you.
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