The Christian God is Comparable to Hitler
1st round acceptance and opening remarks
2nd round main argument
3rd round rebuttals
4th round closing remarks
I understand this may be offensive to some but it is the point which you must look at.
Anybody who believes in a different religion besides Christianity (according to Bible) will burn for all eternity. Jews are a different religion. So how many Jews has the Christian God condemned to this fate? Well, all of them. Including those involved in the holocaust. If you say that damnation is worse or at least comparable to a concentration camp, then the Christian God has sent more Jews to places comparable to concentration camps than Hitler.
I accept this debate. The BOP is on Pro.
(Note: This debate will be carried out under the presumption that the Christian God is real and his word is true as my opponent uses in his argument)
It is rather disingenuous to equate the Christian God to Hitler and I’ll explain why. To begin with, we must first look at why there is death and suffering in this world. When God has first created the world, he has deemed his creation good in the book of Genesis. However, when man has rebelled against God man has brought death and suffering into the world beginning when Adam and Eve ate from the forbidden tree in the Garden of Eden. Romans 5:12 (Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—). As also seen here, we all fall short of God’s glory and because he has created us and given us rules to follow, he has the right to punish us. Such punishment for sinning against God is death.
However, unlike Hitler who actively pursues to wipe Jews off the face of the Earth, God does not want us to burn in hell. He has sent his son Jesus to take on human nature to die on a cross to pay for everyone’s sins. In doing so, he has given a way for everyone to be saved from burning in hell if they accept the gift that he sent us. John 3:16 (For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.)
So here are the main points to my argument:
In conclusion: The Christian God is not comparable to Hitler.
My main argument is on the properties of an infinite punishment and why any such punishment can never fit a finite crime.
But also, the fact that there is any such punishment for such a grey area offense would also not fit the crime. I mean, almost every religion has the same punishment for not following that religion. Moreover, every religion has the same amount of evidence for it. (evidence being eye witness testimony) This makes it easy to see why so many people have all chosen different religions. There is not, simply, enough evidence to conclude which religion is correct with so much pressure on your shoulders.
Back to my main argument. Hitler persecuted people for their belief in another deity. He did not just randomly pick people, if you were Jewish you would be put in a concentration camp. My whole point is that the basis of the selection for torture God and Hitler used are alarmingly similar. And add in my first argument and God actually crosses the threshold and tortures Jews for the Deity they believed in infinitely more than Hitler. So I could say that God is not only comparable to Hitler, but if you took Hitler's deeds and multiplied them by a thousand or even a million, they would not even compose the smallest fraction of the amount of torturing for a belief in another deity done by God. That is the nature of infinite punishment.
Pro has the false assumption, that the reason why people have to go to hell is because the religion they believe in. However, a person could have been a Christian his/her whole life, gone to church, etc. but the fact remains that that person is still a sinner in the eyes of a perfect God. God has made it explicitly clear that sinners will not inherit the kingdom of heaven 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
(Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.)
However, he has provided a way to heaven through his son. If God gives a person a way to escape Hell’s punishment and they reject it, what else is God supposed to do?
“Moreover, every religion has the same amount of evidence for it. (evidence being eye witness testimony) This makes it easy to see why so many people have all chosen different religions.”
--- This statement is irrelevant on which religion is true because this debate is carried out on the assumption that the Christian God is real and his word is truth meaning all other religions and gods are false.
Another false assumption set by Pro is that the reason behind Hitler’s prosecution of the Jews is because of the religion they believed in. The real reason is that Jews served as a perfect scapegoat. At a time where Germany is in a financial crisis and faced the disgrace of losing WWI, someone must be blamed. Religion had nothing to do with it. Hitler was also driven by racism believing that the Jews were sub-human whereas the Aryan race was superior. In fact, he takes this inspiration from the AMERICAN eugenics movement. In addition, not only were Jews sent to these concentration camps but also political prisoners, communists, and Jehovah's Witnesses (A Christian group).
I’ll state this again that Hitler had no just reason for killing Jews whereas mankind has actively rebelled against God by sinning so therefore the right to punish them.
Source: The Holy Bible
China, Egypt, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Malaysia, Morocco, Nepal, North Korea, Pakistan, Russia, Syria, Turkey, Uganda, and Uzbekistan.
According to human rights watch.
So us imperfect mortals do not condone the use of torture. We believe it is cruel and inhumane. So is God cruel and inhumane? Is God comparable to Kim Jong Un, Adolf Hitler, or Stalin? Why would a moral God use such inhumane practices, such savage practices? Is God moral? Do you think anyone who uses torture is moral?
Would a moral, practicing person go to heaven? So an immoral person would go to hell. Would God pass his own test? These are the questions we all must ask, or else your belief can not stand criticism like this.
Now lets talk about an infinite punishment. What if I said, "You can either say I am your honest loving model, or my friend Jigsaw is going to do exactly what you see him do in the movies to you. Also, thanks to an ingenious breakthrough in medical tech, right before you die, we will revive you and start over again?" What would you say? Would you think Im an moral loving person, or a sociopathic monster?
God has laid out punishment for sin which is hell and yet we continue to sin, so yes.
"So us imperfect mortals do not condone the use of torture. We believe it is cruel and inhumane. So is God cruel and inhumane?"
You are judging God using your own sense of morality which is subjective. Whose sense of morality should be used? In Nazi Germany, the majority's sense of morality was that it was ok to exterminate inferior races off the face of the Earth.
"Is God comparable to Kim Jong Un, Adolf Hitler, or Stalin?"
That is the topic of this debate. The BOP is on you because you take the affirmative to a positive statement.
"Why would a moral God use such inhumane practices, such savage practices? Is God moral? Do you think anyone who uses torture is moral?"
You are going off topic here. The topic of this debate is not whether God is a immoral being or not.
"Would a moral, practicing person go to heaven?"
I've answered this in a previous argument: "However, a person could have been a Christian his/her whole life, gone to church, etc. but the fact remains that that person is still a sinner in the eyes of a perfect God 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.) If that person doesn't accept the salvation that Jesus Christ offers, then no.
"So an immoral person would go to hell. Would God pass his own test?"
""You can either say I am your honest loving model, or my friend Jigsaw is going to do exactly what you see him do in the movies to you. Also, thanks to an ingenious breakthrough in medical tech, right before you die, we will revive you and start over again?""
You are going to have to clarify this for me. If this is a reference to something? If so, I don't get it.
Now to address the "God laid out the punishment for sin." Predetermining a law does not make it moral to enforce. To illustrate I will give you an example. It would not be moral for me to say "If you touch my stuff I will kill you" And then you touch my stuff, does it make it moral for me to kill you? No, the answer is no. The law is flawed and even with the warning, the punishment does not fit the crime. Now to punish any finite sin with infinite punishment can never possibly fit the crime. It is mathematically impossible.
I hope I have driven my point in here but here's another contradiction. The Bible says everything God does is perfect. So now eternal torture is the right thing to do. And Christians say agnostics have no morals. When the God they worship has committed atrocities and will be forever #1 on the all time list of time torturing people.
Also if you say the Devil is the one torturing, you forget God could save them, with literally no consequence. He is omnipotent. Its like a train is coming and all you have to do to stop someone from dying is raise your hand. It is so easy, you would have to be wanting them to get hit for them to get hit.
I think all religious debates need this warning. Please keep an open mind in these debates. If you think you are too far leaning towards one side to give a decently unbiased opinion, I recommend you not vote.
This is where I make my closing remarks. In this debate, the resolution is that the Christian God is comparable to Hitler. My opponent has wasted a good amount of this debate, trying to prove that the Christian God is immoral whereas it is irrelavent to the resolution. My opponent's arguments have summed up to this:
P1 Hitler sent Jews to concentration camps to be tortured and exterminated
P2 The Christian God sends people to Hell as eternal punishment
P3 Hitler persecuted the Jews because of their religious beliefs
P4 The Christian God punishes people because of their religious beliefs
Conclusion: The Christian God == Hitler
While P1 is undisputed and because this debate is held under the assumption that the Christian God is real, P2 is also true. I have disproven P3 in round 2 by showing that Hitler's reason for persecuting the Jews was not religious, but rather race and power driven and Pro has not tried to refute my claims. I have also disproved P4 by stating that the reasoning behind God's decision for sending people to hell.
In my case where I try to disprove the resolution I have stayed on topic. My arguments are as follows:
1. The Christian God is the creator of life
2. He has laid out clear rules and punishments for mankind
3. We have broken these rules on many occasions actively rebelling against God (The Jews haven't done anything to deserve their treatment)
4. He has a justifiable reason to send us to Hell (unlike Hitler)
5. The Christian God does not want us to suffer eternal torture (Hitler and the Nazis sought to extermainate Jews)
6. He has provided a way through his son so we don't have to suffer that fate (Hitler offered no such thing)