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labarum
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The Communist Experiment 2.0

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 7/17/2014 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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labarum

Con

This is the second time that I have started this debate, but the last time my opponent just didn't care enough about the debate to continue on. This is the redo round. Many have argued that nations such as the USSR and China were not true communist states and that if a new nation were to try communism again, they would experience different positive results. For this debate we will apply the scientific method in seeing if this at all likely. Con will be arguing that if a new attempt at communism were to take place that it most likely be a success.
Debate Round No. 1
labarum

Con

Communism, like any form of government, is but an experiment at trying to make peoples lives better. Some of these experiments succeed ( republics) some fail ( despotism) and some reach gray ( monarchy, depending the monarch) If an experiment fails repeatedly, then it becomes apparent that one should abandon what ever they are experimenting in. The hypothesis behind communism is to create a workers society, were all wealth and property is distributed amongst the working population evenly, and for the workers to have control of the means of production. Please correct me if I am wrong on this or I have forgotten something. Many would argue that first experiment into communism was with the Russian revolution, in 1905, then in 1917. The hypothesis behind the Russian revolution, was that if communist leaders rose up with a proletariat army and seized control of the government, that a perfect communist society would be formed. As we know,this did not form a ' dictatorship of the proletariat' but instead a dictatorship over the proletariat. The soviets as they were then called did not accomplish the goal of a perfect communist society and therefore failed. This however, is only one failure, a proper experiment requires multiple experiments. Experiments such as China, DPRK, Poland, Albania, Yugoslavia, East Germany, Bulgaria, Romania, Mongolia, Hungary, Checkoslavakia, and Somalia. All of these nations had the same hypothesis, and they all had the same results: a brutal dictatorship. When the results of an experiment do not match up with the hypothesis, does that mean that the results are wrong? No, it means that the hypothesis is wrong. Many would also like to argue that all of these nations were influenced by the Soviet Union which was already a failure and is therefore the other experiments do not count. If this is true, we then go back to a time period when the soviet union did not exist. In 1870, the Paris Commune was formed. The Commune lasted 72 days and destroyed a third of Paris and killed over 12,000 people ( note that many of those killed were priests in Commune ordered mass executions) However, some would also argue that the reason so many died and so much of the city was destroyed was because of the Franco-Prussian war. As there are no certain statistics on the matter, we cannot draw any clear conclusion. In light of this, we must then go back to the very first experiment into communism ever. In 1825, New Harmony, Indiana was purchased by a wealthy Welsh business owner. Yeah, that's right, communism was invented in America. Just blew your minds! The exact ideas of communism were enacted in New Harmony 30 years before the communist manifesto was ever written. The town lasted 2 years before it collapsed in on it self. Numerous experiments have been made into communism, all of them ending in failure. A reasonable scientist would know that by now, it is without a doubt, a failure.

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Chimera

Pro

Chimera forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
labarum

Con

Please do not make this a repeat of the first debate.
Chimera

Pro

Chimera forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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