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Cody_Franklin
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The Concept of Original Sin is Unfair

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Cody_Franklin
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 9/3/2009 Category: Religion
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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FlavourWave

Pro

This debate will be concerning whether or not the Christian concept of original sin is fair.

Definitions
Original sin - a sin said to be inherited by all descendants of Adam and Eve

My opening argument is that the concept of original sin is unfair, the idea that one can be punished for mistakes made by someone else thousands of years ago is unfair, the judgment of whether or not a person is worthy to be called a good Christian should be solely based on their actions and should not be influenced in anyway by actions of others who they had no control over.
Cody_Franklin

Con

I'm assuming that Round 1 is for naught but opening arguments, and thus I will only post an opening CON thesis; however, before I do, one definition:

unfair - undue, beyond what is proper or fitting

Now then, let me outline the CON's burden today; as the PRO's burden is to prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that the concept of "Original Sin" and it's implications are unfair, I must prove the opposite; obviously, if neither case is convincing, you'll vote for a tie.

CON Thesis
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While the Pro may paint a picture of humanity being punished for the sins of the parents, Con pledges to prove that, assuming the Bible to be complete truth for the purposes of the debate, because the original humans chose to sin instead of to obey the commands of God, that this Original Sin accounts for the naturally sinful nature of mankind, and that, as opposed to being punished for the sins of the parents, that we are being punished for choosing sin in the same way that our predecessors did; that is to say, because humans naturally make the same kind of mistakes (sinning) as Adam and Eve originally did, we deserve punishment, just as they did; ergo, the concept of Original Sin, and its future implications, are fair.
Debate Round No. 1
FlavourWave

Pro

FlavourWave forfeited this round.
Cody_Franklin

Con

Well, I had hoped to have an actual debate on this topic; unfortunately, it seems that this will not be the case; if my opponent manages to come back for Round 3, I have but one condition: We will both be limited to one contention in our final round; no subpoints - so, that is to say, my opponent and I can only present ONE argument in Round 3. Perhaps we can actually have a debate; if not, my thesis from Round 1 stands, and you'll have to give this to Con.
Debate Round No. 2
FlavourWave

Pro

FlavourWave forfeited this round.
Cody_Franklin

Con

Many of my opponents tend to keep disappearing on me; however, just extend my thesis and vote Con; because of the Original Sin, human nature is naturally sinful; those who choose sin and continue to follow in the footsteps of Adam and Eve ought to be punished for making that bad decision; sinners are getting what they deserve, ergo this punishment for continuing man's sinful nature is fair; they have made their choice; now make yours. Vote Con. :)
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by thereal_yeti 7 years ago
thereal_yeti
God put man into a garden, told him not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil..

If they did not have the knowledge of good and evil before they ate from the tree, How would they know disobeying god is evil?

Than to top it of, god ALLOWED a serpent into the garden, in order to talk them into EATING from the tree..

Should someone be punished for simply being curious? It seems as if God (as in the character, not that I believe in him), was LOOKING for an excuse to burn people in hell..

Then with his unlimited knowledge, he decides that the only way for atonement, is to send down his son to be tortured and hung on a stick! And if you do not believe in this, YOU WILL GO TO HELL FOR ETERNITY!

Your god isn't very nice, and since my ancestors ate from the tree of Good and evil, I have the knowledge to call god EVIL. Maybe that is the REAL reason he didn't want them to eat from the tree, ultimatley that would cause his to realize how big of a jerk god really is? And god want's our love :(
Posted by Cody_Franklin 7 years ago
Cody_Franklin
Thank you. I may start that debate after my current debate with theLwerd is complete; that's proving to be enough of a challenge as it is.
Posted by Maikuru 7 years ago
Maikuru
"I'd be Pro. And, no, I wouldn't be playing Devil's Advocate."

I assumed as much on both accounts. I'd be Pro for that position, as well. Good luck!
Posted by MTGandP 7 years ago
MTGandP
You can guess how I'm going to vote.
Posted by Cody_Franklin 7 years ago
Cody_Franklin
I'd be Pro. And, no, I wouldn't be playing Devil's Advocate.
Posted by Maikuru 7 years ago
Maikuru
That exact topic was discussed by someone in the forums a while ago, so it's sure to get accepted.
Posted by Cody_Franklin 7 years ago
Cody_Franklin
Perhaps so; I want to do a debate that goes something like "Resolved: Slavery can be morally permissible."
Posted by Maikuru 7 years ago
Maikuru
Conduct and arguments go to Con. Perhaps you can start this debate yourself, Cody. It seems like an interesting read.
Posted by Cody_Franklin 7 years ago
Cody_Franklin
Conduct: Con (forfeitures)
S/G: Tied
Arguments: Con (Pro's repeated forfeitures left nothing but the Con thesis)
Sources: Tied
Posted by Cody_Franklin 7 years ago
Cody_Franklin
Agreed.
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