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The Council of Conservative Citizens is a fraud

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Started: 10/8/2013 Category: Society
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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It is, and it has nothing to do with them being a conservative, because a true conservative would never believe what they believe. They glorify the subjugation of blacks, and see them as a mockery, ridiculing them in their organization's pictures. It is also a form of English/Danish elitism. They want to make America an elitist country where subjugation is the key. They aren't even separatist. I can understand people wanting to be with their own kind and all, great. But that's not what they're about. They descend from the segregation days. For those who don't know. It's an offshoot of the White Citizen's Council, formed as resistance against desegregation of the schools.


While I disagree with the majority of the CCC's positions. It does not make them a "fraud". I look forward to hearing some arguments in support of this stance.
Debate Round No. 1


I don't mean fraud in the sense of them stealing money, though I do think they may have corruption there. As power hungry racists do have a history of being (like Ben Tillman, Al Gore, Sr). So I do think this is from that line of bigots. But their views are debased and wicked. They are descended of the very evil men who ruled America at one time, and maybe amongst some today there are evil people of that type. It's a fraud in a spiritual sense.


The definition of the word fraud is:[1]

1. deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage.

2. a particular instance of such deceit or trickery: mail fraud; election frauds.

3. any deception, trickery, or humbug: That diet book is a fraud and a waste of time.

4. a person who makes deceitful pretenses; sham; poseur.

In what way does the CCC meet one of these definitions?

Debate Round No. 2


OK here's the thing, the White Citizen's Council, formed during the time of Jim Crow, did indeed use deceit to get their message across and gain converts. Many of the members of the WCC became politicians and many of them engaged in the deceitful Jim Crow laws. WCC was pretty much like the politicis, deceit could win them elections. They used lies, corrupt means to keep the law racist. The council of conservative citizens is the very WCC, only with a different name. So in a way they are corrupt, and many of the members are corrupt.


Being a fraud and being corrupt are to different things. The fact that their preceding organization may have been a fraud does not mean that they are a fraud.

I believe the CCC is honest in the following ways:

1. They truly believe the public positions they have taken. [1]
2. They are honestly evil motherfvckers. [2]

Debate Round No. 3
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Reasons for voting decision: Only Con used sources, and made a strong argument. There is convincing evidence that the CCC is a fraud out there, but Pro failed to cite any of it.