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Nefelibata
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hyperthermicreaper
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The Death Penalty is Just

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Nefelibata
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Started: 8/20/2014 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Nefelibata

Con

Pro will start
hyperthermicreaper

Pro

Okay this is an extremely broad topic but I believe what he is trying to say is that the death penalty is COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY STUPID my reasoning being imagine all the families that are in grief because of this stupid punishment I reckon that life in prison is enough even then it is causing grief in the families but at least he/she is not dead so they can go visit him/her.

That is the end of my argument.
Debate Round No. 1
Nefelibata

Con

My opponent seems to have made this mistake of arguing for the wrong side. I will allow him to change his argument in the next round if he so chooses, and will procceed with my case now and respond to my opponent's case in the next round.

COSTS:

The costs of the death penalty are exorbitantly higher than non-capital punishments. On average, capital cases cost local governments $2 million more than their non-capital brothers (1). This is due to more pre-trial motions, more investigation required by the defense team, more time required to select and exclude jury members, more days spent in court, more lawyers required by statute, and longer and more complicated appeals.

And this is something that local governments cannot afford. The GAO reports that state and local governments would need to cut their spending by 14.2% to avoid bankruptcy (2). The Death Penalty has such a significant effect on local governments that in 2009, eleven state legislatures considered abolishing the death penalty for associated costs (1). This lack of funds due to having the death penalty trades off with other things we can be spending money on (i.e. police forces, education, medical care. transportation infrastructure, etc.). It's so bad that local governments are actually diverting funds from these areas just to be able to afford capital trials (1). This has two major impacts:

One, the fact that we're diverting funds away from the police to pay for the death penalty cripples our ability to prevent crime. Studies have shown that each additional police officer that a city employs prevents, on average, 24 serious crimes a year (3). This means that a) the death penalty prevents us from being able to prevent crime. This both disproves arguments from deterrence, since the more we spend on the death penalty the fewer crimes we're able to stop, and outweighs arguments from deterrence because proactively preventing crimes from occuring will always be better for society than retroactively punishing those who commit crimes.

Two, diverting funds from our education system to pay for the death penalty is crippling our economy. A study has found that our education system is costing the United State's economy $2.3 billion (from producing underperforming workers) (4). This is devastating since the worse the economy is, the more likely crime is to spawn from things like poverty (5), which a) further disproves arguments from deterrence, and b) outweighs since if we stop spending so much on the death penalty we can start spending more to give people the tools they need not to commit crimes, which proactively prevents crime.

PREVENTS EXTRADITION

The United States having the death penalty is causing the EU and other countries to adopt policies that disallow extradition of criminals to the United States if it's believed they will be put to death for their crimes (they view it as a human right's violation) (6). This harms our counter-terrorism efforts because other countries won't extradite suspects of terrorism to us to be tried (7). If this refusal to extradite leads to a single terrorist attack, the impact of the attack would outweigh any possible claims of deterrence (even though 87% of criminologists agree that the death penalty doesn't have any kind of detterent effect) (8).

MISTAKES CAN BE MADE

Humanity is flawed and imperfect. We're capable of making mistakes, which could be catastrophic in the case of the death penalty. Unlike prison sentances or rehabilitation, which can be reversed upon the discovery of new evidence that proves innocence, the death penalty cannnot be counted back for. Once you're dead, you're dead.

And this is relevant because there are a lot of people being exonerated from false convictions, more than two thousand to be exact (9). A study has shown that the false conviction rate is probably somewhere around 0.5% (10). This may seem small, but put in context it means that around eight thousand people in jail currently are actually innocent of their crimes (11).

With that, I pass the floor over to my opponent and await his revised case! :) Good luck!

Sources:

(1) - Sherod Thaxton, “Leveraging Death,” Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, Vol. 103, No. 2, 201
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hyperthermicreaper

Pro

hyperthermicreaper forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
Nefelibata

Con

Extend all my arguments. Let's hope my opponent comes back ^_^
hyperthermicreaper

Pro

hyperthermicreaper forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
Nefelibata

Con

My opponent didn't come back... :(
hyperthermicreaper

Pro

hyperthermicreaper forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by ThatChristianGuy 2 years ago
ThatChristianGuy
Death penalty should be applied to LGBTs.
Posted by 9spaceking 2 years ago
9spaceking
noob vs noob
Posted by Nefelibata 2 years ago
Nefelibata
So are you going to debate the pro side since the argument you gave was a con argument?
Posted by KeithKnight13 2 years ago
KeithKnight13
The state is incompotant at all things. Including making sure only innocent people recieve the death penalty. No group is omnipotent in descision making, therefore to giving the legal right to do so is unjust. Even after being put on death row inmates stay there for DECADES, the death penalty does not save states money.
Posted by hyperthermicreaper 2 years ago
hyperthermicreaper
look thanks for telling me this i just assumed since when people say that they mean its in a bad way just make it more obvious who says what in the future
Posted by Nefelibata 2 years ago
Nefelibata
The position you took was pro death penalty and you argued against it. Are you sure you want to do this?
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Vote Placed by 9spaceking 2 years ago
9spaceking
Nefelibatahyperthermicreaper
Who won the debate:Vote Checkmark-
Reasons for voting decision: ff
Vote Placed by iamanatheistandthisiswhy 2 years ago
iamanatheistandthisiswhy
Nefelibatahyperthermicreaper
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Reasons for voting decision: Unlucky that Con could not have a debate as it seems a lot of work was done in preparation of the debate. Good luck next time Con.
Vote Placed by ldow2000 2 years ago
ldow2000
Nefelibatahyperthermicreaper
Who won the debate:Vote Checkmark-
Reasons for voting decision: Pro had no case....
Vote Placed by dynamicduodebaters 2 years ago
dynamicduodebaters
Nefelibatahyperthermicreaper
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Reasons for voting decision: FF and argued the wrong side