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jimmye
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pattjk
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7 Points

The Death Penalty should handed out liberally =P

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Started: 12/11/2010 Category: Politics
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Voting Period
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jimmye

Pro

Would extend this debate to anyone willing to seriously debate this topic.
pattjk

Con

I thank my opponent for starting this debate. I'll let him start....
Debate Round No. 1
jimmye

Pro

Should be noted that the death penalty will also be changed. 1 bullet to the head no lethal injection wha ever 6m for appeal than after that u get what u get. Reserved for heinous crimes, prison escapees, and repeat offenders (sex, drug, DUI, burglary, etc have to be serious crime).

i negate for the following reasons:

1. The death penalty is more humane than other forms of punishment

Compared to "incapacitation", which is a kinder phrase for lobotomy, or sentencing a criminal to solitary confinement for the next 25-50 years, executing a criminal may seem like a more humane option. A criminal sentenced to life without parole will never again see daylight, and will have to consider the consequences of their crime until the day they die. From an emotional standpoint, ending this elongated, intense level of suffering for a prisoner could be considered a mercy.

2. Saves the state money that could be used to benefit society

The cost of incarcerating a prisoner that serves life without parole will cost the state roughly 70,000 per year including food, healthcare, construction of facility, etc. In our current society teachers are paid no more than 40k a year. is it is just to spend more money on incarceration as opposed to eduction?

3. Some criminals are above the law and still represent a threat to society while in prison

Some criminals are truly above the law, in that their influence can reach the outside world even if they are behind bars. For this reason, some criminals are simply too dangerous to live at all.

4. Better deterrent to crime -Singapore
The crime rate gap between Singapore and the United States is rather vast; in fact Singapore has one of the lowest crime rates in the world. In a country where smuggling over 50 grams of heroin is certain to result in the same punishment as slaughtering another human being, obviously, a criminal has to decide if breaking the law at all is really worth their life. An abide law or die stance IS the most efficient and cheapest known way to prevent capital crimes.

5. Karma!
pattjk

Con

pattjk forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
jimmye

Pro

Extend my arguments above. More on Singapore and their judicial system =)
'The strict laws in Singapore have been made fun of, but crime, especially serious ones like murder and drug trafficking, are no laughing matter,' said Ivan Tan, a 24-year-old undergraduate.

'The death penalty might be against human rights, but it's the reason we get to live in one of the safest cities in the world,' he added.

When it comes to crime and punishment, this island state of five million people has been a lightning rod for derision, mockingly called a myriad of names from 'a fine city' to 'Disneyland with the death penalty.'

But the Singapore government has stood firm on its tough stance, and proudly parades the twin banners of economic strength and low crime rates as symbols of the success of its authoritarian rule.

After all, the country's leaders have emphasised that Singapore will not follow liberal Western ideologies, and must instead have its own brand of Asian- style democracy.

To be fair, the country has made clear its zero tolerance policy in handling crime. On all inbound flights, for example, passengers are warned that possession of drugs is a crime that carries the death penalty in Singapore.

Under the Singapore Penal Code, the death penalty is meted out on a range of offences, from unlawful discharge of firearms to murder. Any person found in possession of more than the allowed quantity of drugs also receives the mandatory death sentence.

The 'mandatory' clause in the death penalty law removes judges' discretion to impose a lighter sentence.

'Nobody can claim that they don't know the rules. Since these people knowingly challenge the system and break the law, they deserve to get punished,' said Irene Ng, a 53-year-old homemaker.

This bustling city boasts one of the highest levels of literacy in the world, but is surprisingly backward when it comes to discussion on issues of human rights.

Singaporeans tend to shy away from the topic, and when pressed for comments on the subject, turn conveniently to government-sanctioned answers, routinely replicated arguments against freedom of expression and other civil group concerns: that the death penalty is a necessary evil, and to succumb to international pressure in these matters is to risk destroying the fabric of society.

The mandatory death penalty for serious drug offences here is a 'trade-off' the government makes to protect 'thousands of lives' that may be ruined if illegal drugs were freely available, Law Minister and Second Home Affairs Minister K Shanmugam said at a dialogue session in May.

While the United Nations Commission on Human Rights adopted a resolution calling for the establishment of moratoria on executions in 2003, Singapore has been adamant in its decision to remain one of the few nations worldwide with the mandatory death penalty.

'Thousands of lives have been ruined due to the free availability of drugs' in cities such as Sydney and New York, Shanmugam said. 'You save one life here, but 10 other lives will be gone. What will your choice be?'

Singapore improved from first to fifth position in the world for number of executions per capita between 2004 and 2008. The city hanged more than one per million population each year, behind Saudi Arabia, Iran, Kuwait and North Korea, with China ranking a close sixth.
pattjk

Con

pattjk forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by pattjk 6 years ago
pattjk
Well, you won regardless of votes.
Posted by jimmye 6 years ago
jimmye
Hmmmm losing and you havent made an argument... Its ok man!
Posted by pattjk 6 years ago
pattjk
:/ Sorry dude. Internet was out for a while. Just got it back.
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