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crazyninja77
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joshuaXlawyer
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The Death Penalty

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joshuaXlawyer
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/25/2011 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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crazyninja77

Pro

If there wasn't a death penalty, then how would we punish murders?
joshuaXlawyer

Con

1.My point would be to throw them in jail forever never to see the light of day in the highest security compound possible. clearly you see it as the only punishment as i see it, thats just petty revenge we as a society should see through this and see that revenge killing him puts you at that persons level..... its hypocritical to say don't kill then punish the act with more killing. As well as the innocent convictions people who are innocent has died because of this, without it this isn't possible protect innocent lives is also key to this.

Sorry not much here but you only typed like one sentence...
Debate Round No. 1
crazyninja77

Pro

If we kept all of the murders alive as was your suggestion, the prisons would soon become overflowing, and we would have to spend your precious tax dollars to build new prisons. Plus, nobody ever said that it was against the law to kill. It is against the law to murder, but under certain circumstances, killing is necessary. For example, the war on terror, if someone breaks into your house, or the cow that made the burger that you probably had for lunch a couple of days ago.
joshuaXlawyer

Con

If we kept all of the murders alive as was your suggestion, the prisons would soon become overflowing, and we would have to spend your precious tax dollars to build new prisons. Plus, nobody ever said that it was against the law to kill. It is against the law to murder, but under certain circumstances, killing is necessary. For example, the war on terror, if someone breaks into your house, or the cow that made the burger that you probably had for lunch a couple of days ago.

Those example's are self defense im talking about sentencing someone to death not killing someone out of self defense.
Secondly i would say yes there would still be taxes but we could and i think we still do use inmates as free labor or we should to improve society like sorting garbage for recycle build a factory in the prison for recycling turn it into a prison/ recycling dump? there are endless possiblites.
Debate Round No. 2
crazyninja77

Pro

crazyninja77 forfeited this round.
joshuaXlawyer

Con

well either he gave up or lost track of time...
all my points are extended.
Debate Round No. 3
crazyninja77

Pro

I ask my opponent to consider the obvious facts that are placed before him. Many prisons in the United States are overcrowded. For example, California's 33 prisons have a total capacity of 100,000, but they hold 170,000 inmates. Many prisons in California and around the country are forced to turn old gymnasiums and classrooms into huge bunkhouses for inmates. They do this by placing hundreds of bunk beds next to one another, in these gyms, without any type of barriers to keep inmates separated. In California, the inadequate security engendered by this situation, coupled with insufficient staffing levels, have led to increased violence and a prison health system that causes one death a week. This situation has led the courts to order California to release of 27% of the current prison population, citing the Eighth Amendment's prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment. The three-judge court considering requests by the Plata v. Schwarzenegger and Coleman v. Schwarzenegger courts found California's prisons have become criminogenic as a result of overcrowding. In 2006, $68,747,203,000 was spent on corrections. "The average annual operating cost per state inmate in 2001 was $22,650, or $62.05 per day; among facilities operated by the Federal Bureau of Prisons, it was $22,632 per inmate, or $62.01 per day."
Housing the approximately 500,000 people in jail awaiting trial who cannot afford bail costs $9 billion a year. Most jail inmates are petty, nonviolent offenders. Twenty years ago most nonviolent defendants were released on their own recognizance (trusted to show up at trial). Now most are given bail, and most pay a bail bondsman to afford it.62% of local jail inmates are awaiting trial.
To ease jail overcrowding over 10 counties every year consider building new jails. As an example Lubbock County, Texas has decided to build a $110 million megajail to ease jail overcrowding. Jail costs an average of $60 a day nationally. In Broward County, Florida supervised pretrial release costs about $7 a day per person while jail costs $115 a day. The jail system costs a quarter of every county tax dollar in Broward County, and is the single largest expense to the county taxpayer.
Bondsmen have lobbied to cut back local pretrial programs from Texas to California, pushed for legislation in four states limiting pretrial's resources, and lobbied Congress so that they won't have to pay the bond if the defendant commits a new crime.
Behind them, the bondsmen have powerful special interest group and millions of dollars. Pretrial release agencies have a smattering of public employees and the remnants of their once-thriving programs.
States spend an estimated 7 percent of their budget on corrections.
The cost of medical care for inmates is growing by 10 percent annually. And your plan is to fill them up some more??? It doesn't make any sense. Prisons cost taxpayers more than $32 billion a year. Every year that an inmate spends in prison costs $22,000. An individual sentenced to five years for a $300 theft costs the public more than $100,000. The cost of a life term averages $1.5 million.
States are spending more money on prisons than education. Over the course of the last 20 years, the amount of money spent on prisons was increased by 570% while that spent on elementary and secondary education was increased by only 33%.
Lethal Injection Consists Of:

Sodium Thiopental (lethal dose - sedates person)
Pancuronium Bromide (muscle relaxant-collapses diaphragm and lungs)
Potassium Chloride (stops heart beat)
The offender is usually pronounced dead approximately 7 minutes after the lethal injection begins.
Cost per execution for drugs used : $83.55 (much cheaper than a life sentence in prison)

Average Time on Death Row prior to Execution:

10.60 years Lethal injection makes so much more sense then letting them live. They killed someone, they do not deserve to live, and to be kept alive. You know as well as I do that it would be much easier on the criminal to get a life sentence, then to know that he was going to die soon. Murders don't deserve prison "luxuries."
joshuaXlawyer

Con

Looks like someone got mad because they missed a round....
for one id like to point of you have no sources to back up your number you cannot just pop stuff into your head and type it how about when you use your fancy statistics remember that.P.S I suspect that's a lot of copy and paste.

Also people he again never addressed my points, So they still stand.

I'm going to ignore your statistic dribble and look at the whole point which is at the end.

"10.60 years Lethal injection makes so much more sense then letting them live. They killed someone, they do not deserve to live, and to be kept alive. You know as well as I do that it would be much easier on the criminal to get a life sentence, then to know that he was going to die soon. Murders don't deserve prison "luxuries." "

That's a complete hypocritical statement seeing how right now if I were to track down a murderer prove that he was a murderer in court and murder him I would be put in jail for murder.

Plus you completely ignore the possibility of an inoccent being convicted and kill by the state it has happens. Wait a minute doesn't that mean the state should kill themselves for murdering the innocent? O wait that dont happen does it they just go oop's im sorry we will try better next time Hmmmm.... is that what you wanna tell their loved ones?
I'm sure you don't they fact of the matter is DP is a hypocritical punishment saying don't kill then turning around and killing. Thats nothing more than revenge, pay back not a punishment to show them they did something wrong.
Also my opponent even ignores the fact that not all death sentences are for murder,
during the red scare two "suspected" communist were killed which wasn't even legitamently proven guilty of being communist as well as being a communist was not a legitament crime. As well as children,mentally retarded have been given DP when they do not fully comprehend their actions. Jury nullification which can be used to convict the innocent by bias jurists for racial or gender discrimination and so on.

My opponent really only cares about revenge and his taxes.
Debate Round No. 4
crazyninja77

Pro

crazyninja77 forfeited this round.
joshuaXlawyer

Con

My opponent clearly gave up again since my points were not attacked they still stand
Debate Round No. 5
1 comment has been posted on this debate.
Posted by dinokiller 5 years ago
dinokiller
Forfeit = suicide
Better luck next time ninja
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