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AlternativeDavid
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KhalifV
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The Death Penalty

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Voting Style: Open with Elo Restrictions Point System: 7 Point
Started: 8/24/2014 Category: Society
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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AlternativeDavid

Pro

Rules:

Round 1: Acceptance, no arguments yet.
Round 2/3/4: Arguments and rebuttals
Round 5: Closing statements, no new arguments or rebuttals

-No semantics
-No trolling

Failure to adhere to these rules results in the points for conduct going to the other debater. Mutual violation results in a tie for conduct.

Burden of proof is on me to show the death penalty should not be abolished.
KhalifV

Con

I accept :)

"What says the law? You will not kill. How does it say it? By killing!"
-Victor Hugo, author of Les Miserables

Back to pro <3
Debate Round No. 1
AlternativeDavid

Pro

Taxes


On average the United States spends $24,000 per inmate per year to be fed/clothed/treated medically, etc [1]. For those that don't know, this is taxpayer subsidized. In the state of New York, prisoners cost around $60,000 per year on average [2]. The average age of a murderer in 2008 was 29 years old [3], meanwhile the average lifespan of somebody in the United States is 82 [4]. A life sentence for somebody (assuming they hold true to the averages) that is arrested for commiting a homicide at 29 years of age would die after being incarcerated for 53 years; as long as they did not get out after 25 years. As medical technology gets better, people are living longer, but I won't account for that in this debate.

Assuming nationwide averages again, we are multiplying 53 years by $24,000. This racks up a bill of $1,272,000 per criminal. This is taxpayer money going towards a killer. Why should somebody that is personally affected by him/her be forced to pay for their existence? This isn't just 1.3 Million in total mind you, this is 1.3 Million per prisoner, therefore every time somebody that commits a homicide is entered into a prison, they are costing the American taxpayers lots of money.

In comparison to the national average wage ($44,321.67 [5]), and the cost of a prisoner, it takes somebody making an average wage roughly 29 years to make these numbers equal. $1,272,000 may not seem like a large number, but for most people it is huge.

Also, as some executions can be fairly expensive, I would just like to point out that the cost of a single bullet to the head is infintesimal compared to a life sentence [6].

As a result of the economic implications of a life sentence, I believe execution to be practical.

Right To Life

A man, let's call him Bob, has just brutually slaughtered a seven year old girl named Sally with his bare hands. I argue that he lost his right to life the second he laid his hands on her. Why does he deserve to foot Sally's parents the bill for his medical care, food, water, etc for the rest of his life if he doesn't get parole or an appeal at 25 years. Frankly, he does not deserve that, but

As the definition of "justice" is pretty useless (just behavior or treatment), I shall use the definition of "just" to support my claim: "based on or behaving according to what is morally right and fair". Both definitions are from Google.

In a case such as this I consider the death penalty to be behaving according to what is morally right and fair.

Morality

The definition of morality (according to Google again) is the "principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior." I believe that execution is moral because morality is subjective.

Reality

The death penalty isn't even that common. In Alabama in 2011, there were 43 people on death row for every million [7]. As Alabama has a population of 4.8 million, this means there were (very)roughly 200 people on death row. This compares to 299 cases of murder in the same year [8]. Keep in mind though, they only executed six people [9](14% of the 43 executions in the entire country) in the same year.

So while there were 300 murders, and 200 people on death row, only six were executed. That's .02%, or two one hundreths of the murders resulted in executions (6/300)

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I argue that the death penalty should not be abolished because it has the potential to be more economical than a life sentence, forcing effected famiies to pay for the murderer's existence is unfair, and the death penalty isn't even very common.


[1] http://en.wikipedia.org...
[2] http://www.vera.org...;(page 9 paragraph 1)
[3] http://www.bjs.gov...;
[4] http://en.wikipedia.org...;(34th)
[5] http://www.ssa.gov...
[6] http://www.answers.com...
[7] http://www.theguardian.com...;
[8] http://www.disastercenter.com...
[9] http://blog.al.com...
KhalifV

Con

KhalifV forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
AlternativeDavid

Pro

Let's call this a draw because obviously neither of us have time for this.
KhalifV

Con

KhalifV forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
KhalifV

Con

KhalifV forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
KhalifV

Con

KhalifV forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by AlternativeDavid 2 years ago
AlternativeDavid
Also, I didn't realize how little free time I would have for debating, but I had to get something out. I'm just going to use my rebuttal period to hopefully recover.
Posted by AlternativeDavid 2 years ago
AlternativeDavid
Noted.
Posted by KhalifV 2 years ago
KhalifV
Thank you for waiting to post, I am extremely busy with school.
I will get to this in a day or two.
But I shall say give you a tip, explain yourself more and use more scholarly sources.
Minimal explanation and random sources may work on some but I'll rip you a new one in this debate if you try it on me
Posted by roark555 2 years ago
roark555
I feel like i should be chanting JERRY, JERRY, JERRY!!!
Posted by roark555 2 years ago
roark555
It's the ghost that never bullshits.
Posted by AlternativeDavid 2 years ago
AlternativeDavid
Well thank you, I'm quite flattered by that. I guess I get a chance to put the first blemish on your record.
Posted by KhalifV 2 years ago
KhalifV
I'm trying to make an effort to only debate good opponents.
Posted by AlternativeDavid 2 years ago
AlternativeDavid
Of all people, why did KhalifV have to find this first?
Posted by KhalifV 2 years ago
KhalifV
Let's go ^.^
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Reasons for voting decision: Con forfeits.