The Instigator
qopel
Pro (for)
Losing
4 Points
The Contender
Consummator
Con (against)
Winning
19 Points

The Debates here are about who's the best BSer rather than about real facts

Do you like this debate?NoYes+0
Add this debate to Google Add this debate to Delicious Add this debate to FaceBook Add this debate to Digg  
Post Voting Period
The voting period for this debate has ended.
after 7 votes the winner is...
Consummator
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 2/24/2013 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 1,889 times Debate No: 30652
Debate Rounds (1)
Comments (38)
Votes (7)

 

qopel

Pro

It seems to me that people here don't debate to find the truth. It's all about who the best BS artist is. You can "prove" anything with enough twisting of words and facts along with some links to some bias website that confirms what you say. There's very little thought as to what goes into a debate and it's mostly just cut and pasting things from other sources. Debating here is a waste of time.
Consummator

Con

What are real facts? They are facts that have documented sources to back them up (form legitimate creators of the source).

My opponent admits that "it's mostly just cut and pasting things from other sources." which would suggest that the debates here are essentially efficient plagiarizing as opposed to being "all about who the best BS artist is".

The reason behind pro's assertion is that "You can "prove" anything with enough twisting of words and facts along with some links to some bias website that confirms what you say." However, he fails to prove that this is BSing. Instead of BSing I would say that this is documenting efficiently for the victory in a debate.

The second, and in my view inferior, line of reasoning that my opponent uses to reach their conclusion is that "There's very little thought as to what goes into a debate and it's mostly just cut and pasting things from other sources." If the sources that are cut and pasted form have truth and not BS then is this not disproving the proposition?

In conclusion, the debates here are, according to my opponent's reasoning, a series of effective and accurate copy paste edits but not a series of BSing.

Thank you for reading this debate, I hope you have a very nice day.
Debate Round No. 1
38 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 10 records.
Posted by TrasguTravieso 4 years ago
TrasguTravieso
People aren't stupid because they have a right to, they just are. You don't have a right to the flu either, but millions get sick every year.
Posted by qopel 4 years ago
qopel
Then why does America still have stupid people?
Posted by TrasguTravieso 4 years ago
TrasguTravieso
Right.
Posted by qopel 4 years ago
qopel
If stupidity has no rights, then no one has the right to be stupid.
Posted by Nur-Ab-Sal 4 years ago
Nur-Ab-Sal
Qopel is the apex predator.
Posted by TrasguTravieso 4 years ago
TrasguTravieso
Stupidity has no rights
Posted by qopel 4 years ago
qopel
So much for free speech...
Posted by Consummator 4 years ago
Consummator
qopel shut up.
Posted by qopel 4 years ago
qopel
Your personal vendetta started after this. Nice try.
Posted by qopel 4 years ago
qopel
You could care less? How much more less?
7 votes have been placed for this debate. Showing 1 through 7 records.
Vote Placed by induced 4 years ago
induced
qopelConsummatorTied
Agreed with before the debate:Vote Checkmark--0 points
Agreed with after the debate:Vote Checkmark--0 points
Who had better conduct:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:Vote Checkmark--3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:30 
Reasons for voting decision: Con BSed his arguments to win the debate to show that BSing isnt how to win a debate? he only proved Pros point. Con twisted words to try to win by technicalities, without intellectual pursuit, like Pro mentioned
Vote Placed by kingsjester 4 years ago
kingsjester
qopelConsummatorTied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:-Vote Checkmark-1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:-Vote Checkmark-3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:04 
Reasons for voting decision: Read the debate.
Vote Placed by TheSaint 4 years ago
TheSaint
qopelConsummatorTied
Agreed with before the debate:-Vote Checkmark-0 points
Agreed with after the debate:-Vote Checkmark-0 points
Who had better conduct:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:-Vote Checkmark-3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:03 
Reasons for voting decision: One paragraph with an opinion does not constitute an argument. Con actually showed how pro was incorrect and provided a backed up view to how debates on this site were valid. Con wins by a landslide.
Vote Placed by TrasguTravieso 4 years ago
TrasguTravieso
qopelConsummatorTied
Agreed with before the debate:-Vote Checkmark-0 points
Agreed with after the debate:-Vote Checkmark-0 points
Who had better conduct:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:Vote Checkmark--1 point
Made more convincing arguments:-Vote Checkmark-3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:13 
Reasons for voting decision: People source their arguments, that is a rather good thing. If you don't think their sources are reputable or relevant, then address that issue in the debate and provide better sources to back up the argument you are making. Sp and grammar to Pro. Arguments Con (who rather than proving the debates are substantive proved Pro's argument was contradictory, which must have been rather frustrating to pro, who complains about DDO word-smiths). No sources, conduct good on both.
Vote Placed by likespeace 4 years ago
likespeace
qopelConsummatorTied
Agreed with before the debate:-Vote Checkmark-0 points
Agreed with after the debate:-Vote Checkmark-0 points
Who had better conduct:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:-Vote Checkmark-3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:03 
Reasons for voting decision: Pro didn't meet the burden of proof in substantiating that debates here are decided by the best BSer. My own experience contradicts this. While some members do an excellent job sniping new members who don't consider their resolutions, there are quite a few good debates between regular members. You will get out of debates here what you put into them--no more, no less. A chill pill helps. :)
Vote Placed by KRFournier 4 years ago
KRFournier
qopelConsummatorTied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:-Vote Checkmark-3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:03 
Reasons for voting decision: Pro's only argument is a single paragraph that beings, "It seems to me." This is not so much a debate as it is a very brief opinion.
Vote Placed by F-16_Fighting_Falcon 4 years ago
F-16_Fighting_Falcon
qopelConsummatorTied
Agreed with before the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Agreed with after the debate:--Vote Checkmark0 points
Who had better conduct:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Had better spelling and grammar:--Vote Checkmark1 point
Made more convincing arguments:-Vote Checkmark-3 points
Used the most reliable sources:--Vote Checkmark2 points
Total points awarded:03 
Reasons for voting decision: Pro provides contradictory arguments that are easily refuted by Con.