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The Electoral College Should Be Replace By Direct Popular Vote

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Started: 11/11/2012 Category: Politics
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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I'm new to this website and am going to a debate tournament on this topic, so if anyone could mock debate me, that would be helpful


I would be happy to oblige.

According to, the electoral college's original intent was "The same purpose it serves today: to balance the political needs of the small states with the overwhelming power of the large states."

However, I'd like to dispute the obsolescent mechanics of the system. According to, "The Electoral College has outlived its usefulness and become a potential tool in the war between and among political parties. There is no reason the president can't be elected in 2012, through popular vote, by the people. Not by a college of politicians, appointed by politicians, casting votes for districts drawn by politicians."

With all this being said, I am taking Pro of this argument. I do not believe the electoral college is a modern process that should be taken during presidential elections. It was made years ago by our forefathers when doing so was essential; however, times have changed, and citizens are yearning for their own say in what goes on.

After all, without the electoral college, Al Gore would've won, and let's face it: America would've been a heck of a lot better if Gore was elected.
Debate Round No. 1


Thanks. I look forward to interesting debate.
The reasons that the Electoral College should be kept will be represented by my 3 contentions
1.Direct popular vote would take away the winner takes all system which is significant to ensuring fairness among voters.
2. If it were to be abolished, the presidents would only campaign in the big states, not paying any attention to the smaller states.
3.The Electoral College is a part of the constitution that"s lasted over 200 years. To amend a part of the constitution would require a lot more than we have right now.

To expand on my first contention, abolishing the Electoral College would encourage third parties and independent candidates who would as the New York Times states "fragment the electorate and make it difficult to forge a majority coalition, much less secure a mandate, thereby weakening the winner"s capacity to govern." This would cause more division across the nation and separate us. The founding fathers created the Electoral College for the United States of America, not the divided states of America. Also, taking away the winner takes all method would encourage voter fraud which would as says "become paramount, in that a state would not be content to simply show a simple majority of Democratic or Republican votes ... Majority fraud would be difficult to detect since the party in power would be responsible to maintain integrity " something akin to letting the fox manage the hen house."
To elaborate on our second contention, if it were done away with, the presidents would only campaign in the states with the largest populations. All the power would be held by the biggest states, and the smaller states would not receive any attention. With the Electoral College, the candidates campaign in swing states, some of which have large populations and large electoral votes like Ohio, and others with smaller populations and amount of electoral votes like New Hampshire. True, Electoral College does not give all states attention, mainly just swing states. However, a minimum of 11 states are needed to win presidency in the Electoral College, while under direct popular, only 9 are. The candidates would all focus on California and Texas and New York, not giving any attention to less populated areas which might have an abnormally large population of a minority group or race. Under direct popular vote, their voices would not be heard, and they would feel that not only were they shunned, not only was their state shunned, but on a more personal level, that their ethnicity or race was shunned.
To further explain my last contention, the Electoral College is an over 200-year-old part of the constitution. It has served us well for 2 centuries and as Alexander Hamilton once noted, if the Electoral College "be not perfect, it is at least excellent." Also, It would require a lot of effort to change it. It would cause a lot of trouble and stir up a lot of commotion among the nation. The people may protest and it as expert Max McGregor once stated "People often take national protests to levels of violence. You never know how people may overreact to changes without their voices being heard." Furthermore, the requirements needed to amend a part of the constitution include 75% of the states legislators" approval. Right now we don"t have near that many, only 2,110 out of the 7,382 of our state legislators endorse direct popular vote. That"s less than a third. It would literally be against the law to change it. Thank you and I urge you to vote con in today"s debate.


In the spirit of democracy, however, isn't the "winner takes all system" obsoleted? Doesn't it vilify the rights of minorities and favor the majority? But if the president campaigned in the big states, wouldn't the minorities of the small states migrate to the majority of the big states, therefore becoming the "majority?" So what? The constitution can be amended.

Let's use Bush v. Gore 2000 as an example. Gore had 266 votes. Bush had 271. Without the inclusion of electorate votes, Gore would have won, and prevented the future collapse of the economy. Popular vote was won by Gore. Electoral Vote was won by Bush. Without the electoral college, Bush wouldn't have been elected; and, without the popular vote, Gore wouldn't of been elected.

Therefore, the popular vote should not be vilified or considered inaccurate. Politicians vote on other politicians. State pretty much overrides what popularity dictates. Presidents are unfairly elected.

So why do we consider ourselves a democracy if something like the Electoral College is permeated and not vilified?
Debate Round No. 2


The form of government that America has, contrary to common misconception, was never a democracy, and still isn't. As stated in the pledge of allegiance, america is a republic. However, the electoral college is fairly old, but still meets our needs. We still have states and candidates don't we? Yes, it does favor the majority in a state, but if it were to represent every single minority, it would, again, as the new york time states, "fragment the electorate and make it difficult to forge a majority coalition, much less secure a mandate, thereby weakening the winner"s capacity to govern." And, could you please rephrase your 3rd sentence, I'm unclear to its meaning. And yes the constitution could be amended, Except that it doesn't meet the requirements for its amending to be legal. Granted, Bush was one of the worst presidents, but you have no evidence showing that Gore would've prevented the future collapse. Besides, this is 1 out of about 50 presidential elections. Also, its not just any politicians voting on other politicians, those "politicians" are elected. Lastly, as stated in the pledge of allegiance, America is a firstly a republic, not a democracy. Granted, it has some democratic features, and is sometimes considered a democratic republic, it is still a republic, its just that the election of people to represent us is democratic, but because we are electing people to represent us, we are not a democracy. And, permeated through what?
Now, how about voter fraud? It is undeniable that it would be encouraged and increase with the abolishment of the electoral college. It has also served us well for over two centuries and would be against the law to change. I think legality is a pretty big concern. And if it were abolished, a bunch of independent candidates would run, and many experts predict that it would be impossible to have any candidate to win over 50% of the votes. A resolution for this dilemma could be that we could just put the candidate with the highest amount of votes in office, so for example, if 20% voted for candidate A and 10% for candidates B-I, A would be put into office. But, then 90% of the state wouldn't support him. He would not receive the acceptance of the public, and his influence would be meager. Not to mention, he'd have about 6 times less donation funds than our electoral college candidates. Thank you and I urge you to vote con in today's debate


SeniorIntelligentDebator forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3


I have clearly won this debate, as my opponent fails to attack my points on voter fraud, the fragmentation of the electorate, and disregarded how it was literally illegal. He offers only one example that actually builds up his case, and I have offered multiple valid arguments. Thank you and I urge you to vote con in todays debate.


SeniorIntelligentDebator forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by The_Dictator 4 years ago
Shame, lord watermelon. Your contentions are mediocre at best.

Here are a list of contentions you should consider next time.

1. The electoral college is supremely overrated
2. The electoral college is horribly and inconsolably stupid.
3. The electoral college was made by a bunch of second-raters.
4. The electoral college isn't as suave as direct popular vote.
5. No one gives a flipping banana about the electoral college.

IntellectualDebator or whoever you are,

pretty good.

I applaud you, though you seem a bit arrogant.

It's a good thing, don't worry.
Posted by SeniorIntelligentDebator 5 years ago
I apologize if I have forsaken my fans in this debate. Being a high school-er, duty calls; and, when work is due, I have to either turn it in, or finish it. Therefore, schoolwork has been pressuring me, causing me to abandon this site in favor of focusing on my schoolwork. Now, however, since I am currently submerged in a 5 day break, I am able to respond to debates. Unfortunately, though, I cannot do so any longer, since I've forcibly "fore-fitted" 2 rounds, in a row, without my prior knowledge.
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