The Instigator
ReganFan
Pro (for)
Losing
17 Points
The Contender
Kleptin
Con (against)
Winning
53 Points

The Electoral College is Misrepresentative

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Kleptin
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 10/15/2009 Category: Politics
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Debate Rounds (3)
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ReganFan

Pro

The electoral college in this country (America) is unfair. It is possible to receive the most number of votes but not win the election. Popular vote should be the deciding factor in determining who is elected President.

Electoral College: System which each state is given a certain number of electors based on the population of said state.
Kleptin

Con

I thank my opponent for this debate.

Although I do not proclaim to be a political expert, I trust that it is plain to see where my opponent is incorrect. There is no misrepresentation in the electoral college system at all. In fact, I recall from watching several presidential elections in my time that a large map appears on television, detailing exactly how and where the electoral votes are allocated.

The representation is quite clear and not misleading in the slightest.

http://en.wikipedia.org...(United_States)

New York, for example, has 31 electoral votes, and California has 55.

There is no misrepresentation.

I await my opponent's rebuttal. Thank you audience and thank you to my opponent.
Debate Round No. 1
ReganFan

Pro

I would like to refer my opponent to the 2000 general election. Even though the democrat (and possible communist) Al Gore received more vote than his opponent the Republican (and devout christian) George W. Bush he lost the election because because George W. Bush had won more states. How can the electoral college be representative of the American people when it fails to elect the President more Americans voted for?
Kleptin

Con

I thank my opponent for his response.

My opponent is attempting to argue something completely absurd. The resolution clearly states that we are discussing the following issue:

"The Electoral College is Misrepresentative"

I am arguing on the CON side, the electoral college is *not* misrepresentative of the current system of electing a president to office. The current system of electing a president to office is via electoral college. Therefore, to say that the electoral college misrepresents itself is to suggest that it is in some way muddy, ambiguous, or erroneous in its calculations. I have shown that this simply is not the case.

http://www.howstuffworks.com...

While I agree that there was a slight technical difficulty in the 2000 election, it was only because the election was so tight. In addition, a conclusion was reached and the results were clear: The electoral votes were spelled out clear as day.

The votes were tallied according to state and voila, you have a very clear-cut picture of how the electoral college is represented.

And here is the list of electoral votes for the 2000 election, crystal clear and in black and white.

http://www.archives.gov...

As you can see, there is no misrepresentation. Each electoral vote was tallied and accounted for, no electoral vote went missing, and no electoral vote was counted twice. There are no errors, no misrepresentations.

My opponent only has one counterargument, which is more a question than a counterargument:

"How can the electoral college be representative of the American people when it fails to elect the President more Americans voted for?"

The answer to this question is painfully obvious. Our method of choosing a president is based on the electoral college, not on the popular vote. This is common knowledge. So as an obvious conclusion, the Electoral college is representative of the American election of a president because it is THE METHOD by which we elect a president.

My opponent has not offered any other counterargument and I have upheld my burden.

I await my opponent's final response and will conclude. Thank you.
Debate Round No. 2
ReganFan

Pro

The electoral college is not representative of America that was the point of this debate :L
Kleptin

Con

I thank my opponent for his final response and will now conclude.

My opponent's final statement was this:

"The electoral college is not representative of America that was the point of this debate"

Yes, I agree. This was my opponent's point of the debate. However, he has failed to uphold that resolution. He has provided no evidence showing that it did not represent America. The electoral college is THE method by which we elect a president in this nation, this seems to me to be a key indication that it is representative.

However, let us examine the resolution:

"The Electoral College is Misrepresentative"

This does not mention what the Electoral college misrepresents or represents. I just assumed that my opponent meant that it represented incorrectly, dubiously, or poorly. It does none of the above. I have provided ample sources showing how the electoral college adequately represents the votes of each one of the panelists. Their names are provided in the source I gave, it is clear as day that there is no misrepresentation.

The fact that my opponent keeps saying that there is, does not make it so. I can keep calling my opponent a liberal, but that does not make him a liberal.

Since my opponent has failed to uphold his resolution and failed to counter my arguments, I urge a CON vote.

Thank you to the audience and to my opponent.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by twsurber 7 years ago
twsurber
LOL. Thanks Kleptin, I look forward to doing friendly battle with you in the near future.
Posted by Kleptin 7 years ago
Kleptin
Now if only my opponent had said that.
Posted by twsurber 7 years ago
twsurber
Electoral votes are a function of the 12th amendment. The number of electors equals the number of Congressmen plus the number of senators. For example, in North Carolina we have 13 Congressmen and 2 Senators for a total of 15 electors.

The electoral IS misrepresentative in this regard: Let's say that 67% of North Carolinians voted for party A's candidate. That means that 33% (for the sake of simplicity) voted for candidate B. If it were an accurate representation, Candidate A would receive 10 electoral votes, while candidate B received 5 electoral votes.

As it is right now, Candidate A would get ALL 15 votes and Candidate B would get none due to a flawed majority system. That means the constituents who voted for Candidate B are not being properly represented, therefore misrepresented. Thomas
Posted by Blackechan 7 years ago
Blackechan
con you were kind of being a dick kind of although the pro was very misinformed and unprepared for the amount of knowledge you ejaculated upon him
Posted by Kleptin 7 years ago
Kleptin
I punish those who make lazy opening posts.

'Nuff said.
Posted by comoncents 7 years ago
comoncents
Volkov

AMEN... to everything you said
Posted by Volkov 7 years ago
Volkov
There is a reason why I find the debates of this site not to be worth it - this is one of them.

I'm all for playing with semantics from time to time, but half, if not more, of this website's debates end up with stupid wins like this, for which I'm not awarding either side a point.
Posted by ToastOfDestiny 7 years ago
ToastOfDestiny
vv Ditto.
Posted by Kleptin 7 years ago
Kleptin
Conduct: TIE. Both debaters conducted themselves well. However, PRO's final argument was very curt and had no substance. I will let this slide.

S&G: TIE. No egregious errors on either side.

Arguments: CON. CON presented his arguments clearly and succinctly, providing ample sources and negating the resolution. PRO provided little to no sources, demonstrated poor knowledge of what was going on, and essentially forfeited his most crucial round; the final one.

Sources: CON. CON provided more sources by far.
Posted by ReganFan 7 years ago
ReganFan
@philosphical who was that comment directed to?
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