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tajshar2k
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TalkingWaffle69
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The Fellowship could have used eagles to get to Mordor

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tajshar2k
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Started: 3/23/2015 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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tajshar2k

Con

First round is acceptance

The Fellowship could not have used eagles to get to Mordor.
TalkingWaffle69

Pro

I'm a Lord of the Rings fan so this should be fun
Debate Round No. 1
tajshar2k

Con

I will now state some reasons why the Eagles could not have been used.

1. Eagles are giant!
Had the fellowship have chosen to use eagles, it seriously would have compromised their idea of stealth. With Sauron and Saruman sending spies everywhere, it would be only a matter of time before they are located. The eagles easily could have been shot down by arrows and that would have been the end of the fellowship.

2. They would need to rest
Going from Rivendell to Mordor is certainly not easy. It requires the Eagles to rest, and large amounts of nourishment will be needed. The fellowship would spend too much time looking for food to sustain these animals.

3. Legions of Orcs
Say hypothetically they make their way to Mordor, they would still have to face hundreds of thousands of Orcs. It is very unlikely they would have been able to withstand the brute force of Mordor orcs from annihilating them.

4.Manwe
Because eagles are the creation of Manwe, they would have been instructed to not interfere directly with the situtation, as it is a Valar policy.
TalkingWaffle69

Pro

Ok, well I thought you were debating that they could have used the eagles to get to mordor and my opinion is that they couldn't have. But I still like a challenge so I shall try this.

There was much adventure in the Fellowship not using the eagles to get to Mordor but there also could have still been a story if they did.

1. They ruin the idea of stealth.
This means they try to use brute force to break through the lines of Sauron and that means they would have needed to form a legion with the elves the men the dwarfs etc and that would have been an epic battle, bigger than the Battle of the Five Armies.

2. There still could have been 3 books and or movies.
The first one could still have been mostly the same but the meeting in Rivendelle concluded that they would need the Eagles to get to Mordor. Since the Eagles belong to Manwe the second book could have been the Fellowship somehow contacting Manwe and take on some kind of challenge to get the Eagles. The third book would have been the Fellowship and their army of all races with Eagles fighting straight into the heart of Middle Earth.

3. The Eagles would be fighting the Nazguls.
The Eagles coming in to save the day at the Black Gate was definitely one of the most exciting events in the LOTR trilogy. In this situation, the Fellowship would have been fighting the orcs and the Eagles would have been fighting the Nazguls and that would have just been exciting and a great battle.
Debate Round No. 2
tajshar2k

Con

I shall now counter my opponents arguments


1. They ruin the idea of stealth.

Im not sure what Pro is really trying to say, but let me explain why that wouldn't work in the first place. The armies of the free people during the 3rd age was greatly weakened. Men, Elves and dwarfs weren't on good terms. Gondor's armies had greatly weakened, and they needed men to defend its cities from Sauron. Most elves, were fleeing to the Grey Havens, and Elrond himself, said that the time of the Elves were coming to an end. Finally for the dwarfs, most of their clans were scattered and divided.



2. There still could have been 3 books and or movies.

Con says, "the Eagles belong to Manwe the second book could have been the Fellowship somehow contacting Manwe and take on some kind of challenge to get the Eagles." This would be impossible, because Valar's are not allowed to directly help. Even if they asked for help, they wouldn't get help. Manwe lives in Valinor, and if they wanted to meet his they would need to leave Middle-Earth. "The third book would have been the Fellowship and their army of all races with Eagles fighting straight into the heart of Middle Earth". I explained that in earlier paragraph, so hopefully you understand.


3. The Eagles would be fighting the Nazguls.
The eagles coming in to fight the nazgul was only epic because they weren't expected. Also in the books, that part of the battle wasn't as epic, because the chapter ended as soon as Pippin said "the eagles are coming". Also, if the eagles were fighting the Nazgul, what happened to the fellowship? Did they simply drop them as soon as they saw the Nazgul? Even if that happened, Sauron's other servants would attack them.
TalkingWaffle69

Pro

The battle of the Black Gate was definitely the best battle in the entire series. But in this case the battle would have been much bigger and took longer which would have still made for a great story line and would appeal to the audience more because anyone who just watches the movies, all they want to see is the battles.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by tajshar2k 1 year ago
tajshar2k
Sorry in 2, i mean Pro, not Con.
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Vote Placed by Unitomic 1 year ago
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tajshar2kTalkingWaffle69
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Reasons for voting decision: Ultimately I find the reference to the Nazgul to be the winning point. All things said and done, the Nazguls presence would endanger the entire mission as the Eagles have to fight them.
Vote Placed by Midnight1131 1 year ago
Midnight1131
tajshar2kTalkingWaffle69
Who won the debate:Vote Checkmark-
Reasons for voting decision: It was a good debate until the very last round. Con had given a length of arguments against pro. Throughout the whole debate, both sides were taking the number of points, and refuting them one by one. That kept the debate level, but Pro kind of gave up during the last round. But Pro did pretty well for someone who didn't support the opinion he was arguing for.