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The Galactic Empire is Superior to the Galactic Republic

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Started: 7/6/2016 Category: Entertainment
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I will be arguing that the Galactic Empire is superior to the Galactic Republic. Please refrain from using information from the Expanded Universe and instead use information from the films (original trilogy, prequels, force awakens).


Good luck!


I accept.
Debate Round No. 1


FIRST POINT- Superior Government
The Galactic Republic, a representative republic that allows each of its allies to supply a senator as a representative in the Galactic Senate, controls most of the galaxy. Within the Galactic Republic is a massive corporation known as the Trade Federation, which basically has a monopoly on all trade and commerce. Because of this monopoly, the Republic chooses to implement a heavy taxation on all trade routes. The Trade Federation, in protest, easily blockades Naboo, and rather than punishing the Trade Federation for their crime, the Republic sends two Jedi to negotiate. The Jedi are forced out and the planet is invaded. The Senate, a bureaucratic mess, fails to deal with the situation effectively and ultimately must elect a new leader over the crisis.

This never would have occurred under the Galactic Empire considering it covers trade and commerce for itself rather than relying on untrustworthy, greedy corporations like the Trade Federation. On top of that, the Empire does not require a Senate to operate and progresses effectively without one. The Senate under the Republic was a bureaucratic mess that rarely made any progress - the progress that was made throughout the time of the Republic was orchestrated by Palpatine. The Empire, however, places the Emperor on top (who makes the decisions) and the moffs, who control their individual regions and answer to the grand moff - everyone answers to the Emperor. In fact, the Senators agree with the shift from representative republic to empire as seen in Revenge of the Sith.

SECOND POINT- Superior Technology
The Death Star literally revolutionized space warfare by providing the Empire with a method to threaten uncooperative planets and individuals. Furthermore, much of the Empire's technology is improved versions of previous Republic technology; the AT-AT is superior to the AT-TE, the AT-ST is superior to the AT-RT, the Super Star Destroyer is superior to the Republic command ship, and the Death Star was unparalleled by anything the Republic had.

THIRD POINT- Superior Economy and Employment
The Galactic Empire takes on large construction projects, like both Death Stars, which employ thousands, if not millions, of people. They even allow people from all over the galaxy to enlist in the Imperial Army, whereas the Republic basically outsources most of its defense occupations (with the exception of Senate guards) to the Clone Army.


First let me address Pro"s points

1.Superior Government.
This point was built on exaggerations and unknown information. We are told that the Trade Federation was greedy and capable of creating a blockade in an outlying star system, not that they had monopoly on all trade and commerce. The idea that the Republic should punish a legitimate business before it had all the facts is a terrible approach to government. While the Trade Federation would not have had power under the Empire, there is no evidence that the way the Empire handled trade was any less untrustworthy or greedy.

It is true that the Republic moves slower than the Empire, but that is because they wanted more people to see what was going on and get more opinions on what to do. In stable governments were things are going well " which on the whole seems to be what the Republic was " major change is approach slowly to be sure that it is a wise move. The Senate"s biggest mistake was abandoning this approach in Revenge of the Sith.

2.Superior Technology.
This is an empty point. The Empire had better technology because it came later it time. Every generation in human history has had better technology than the one before it. Even during the Middle Ages (sometimes wrongly called the Dark Ages), technology continued to advance every generation. Of course the Empire had better technology. And the generations after the fall of the Empire would have even better technology. That"s how progress works.

3.Superior Economy and Employment.
Yes, the Empire built the Death Stars. Does this mean the Republic was not building anything? That is a big jump in logic that does not appear to be justified by the films.

Also, if we assume that the First Order from the Force Awakens follows the same pattern as the Empire before it, then the Empire was not "allowing" people to enlist in the Imperial Army. It was kidnapping children and forcing them into the army[1]. The Imperial Army functioned more like a third-world warlord than a benevolent employer.

Now let"s consider the advantages of the Republic.

In any empire there is one ultimate authority and voice: the Emperor"s. The workings of the empire are limited to his vision. In a representative democracy there are millions of voices " in the Galactic Republic there were likely trillions of voices. That means trillions of different ideas, different ways of doing things, different individuals trying to find the best solution. In the Empire, if the Emperor does not like an idea it dies. In the Republic, no single voice can destroy an idea. Instead it can be refined through countless points of view searching for the best solution. In a Republic the best ideas come to the top. In an Empire only the Emperor"s ideas come to the top.

A republic is slower to act. There is no question about that. But that slowness means that no individual has too much power. But in the Empire the Emperor has absolute power. As Lord Acton said, "Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."[2] The Empire set up conditions for certain corruption.

Let"s face it: the Empire was objectively evil. I have already mentioned how it kidnapped children and forced them to be soldiers. More than that, it built and used a weapon to destroy inhabited planets. According to the Geneva Convention even in times of war only soldiers can be killed[3]. Civilians who do not fight back are not to be harmed. In using the Death Star the Empire completely ignored the distinction between soldiers and civilians. They murdered countless children. There is no possible justification for that. The Empire was unquestionably evil.

The Republic might not have been perfect, but it was far better than the Empire.



Debate Round No. 2


Before I begin, allow me to address my opponent's rebuttal:

1. Superior Government
The Republic had all the evidence it needed to punish the Trade Federation. The Queen, Qui-Gon, and Obi-Wan all testified that the Trade Federation was blockading Naboo - in fact, the two Jedi were sent there to investigate and negotiate, meaning the Senate had prior suspicions and those suspicions were confirmed. Here's a quote on the Invasion of Naboo: "The Republic's bureaucracy was unable to help Amidala, who called for a vote of no confidence in Chancellor Valorum, leading to an election in which Palpatine was a favorite to win. Knowing she would find no help on Coruscant, Amidala returned to Naboo with the Jedi and planned to defeat the Federation on her own." ( I also wasn't saying that the Empire's trade and commerce system was not untrustworthy or greedy, I was saying that the chances of it blockading and invading an imperial planet are far less than for the Trade Federation to blockade and invade a Republic planet.

Under the Empire, say a blockade and invasion did occur, the Emperor would quickly resolve the issue, discovering whether or not the trade system was guilty and swiftly punishing them rather than relying on over a thousand senators to come up with an answer and a plan.

2. Superior Technology
One of my main points was the Death Star, which literally revolutionized space warfare considering there was nothing like it before. They also update all Republic technology (AT-TE becomes AT-AT, AT-RT becomes AT-ST). The point I was making was that the Empire updated and revolutionized all of its predecessor's technology in a matter of years. That's like years after the American Revolution, the thirteen colonies update all British weaponry (AT-TE to AT-T, AT-RT to AT-ST) and create nuclear bombs (Death Star).

3. Superior Economy and Employment
The Empire did NOT kidnap children and force them into the Imperial Army, as evidenced in A New Hope, where Luke's friend, Biggs Darklighter, has gone to the Imperial Academy. Here's a quote proving it: "When they were young, Darklighter and Skywalker both dreamed of leaving their homeworld behind and attending the Imperial Academy. Darklighter eventually left Tatooine for the Academy, but Skywalker was left behind."

I used the Death Star(s) to say that the Empire has money it can use at will for large construction projects which employ millions of people. The Republic did not do the same nor did they raise much of an army prior to the Clone Wars, and when they did, the defense jobs went to clones rather than ordinary people.

Now I will make a rebuttal to your points:

1. High Participation
"The Republic is not what it once was. The Senate is full of greedy, squabbling delegates. There is no interest in the common good." - Senator Palpatine, The Phantom Menace (

Just like in the United States Senate, the Galactic Senate is filled with greedy, untrustworthy senators with no interest in helping anyone but themselves and their donors. High participation is theoretically positive, but in both the US Senate and the Galactic Senate, it is spoiled by corrupt politicians. The Emperor was wise to disband the Senate; it was either that or regularly rid the Senate of corruption.

You brought up trillions of voices and ideas in the Galactic Republic, but those trillions of voices and ideas must go through the corrupt Senate, who, if they do not like it, will vote against it, especially considering most Senators don't care about the people they were elected to protect.

2. Checks and Balances
But most of the Galactic Senate was corrupt anyway because they answered to donors. Based on the films, we do not know how the Emperor interacts with his people; he either answers to them and the moffs, or he answers to himself. Despite checks and balances, the Republic was still corrupt.

3. Moral Superiority
The Empire did not kidnap children, they allowed people to enlist in the Imperial Army as Biggs Darklighter did and Luke Skywalker planned to do; only the First Order kidnapped children ( Furthermore, the Empire does not recognize the Geneva Convention considering that took place on Earth far in the future in a galaxy far away from the events of the Star Wars series.

The Death Star was only used once at the order of Grand Moff Tarkin, who was undeniably evil. The Death Star itself was more of a message to the Rebellion and to Imperial planets questioning their loyalties.


I will start by addressing Pro"s defense his position.

1. Superior Government:
The Republic did call for a vote of no confidence in Chancellor Valorum, which they could do because it was a republic. If a bad leader gets into office in a republic the bad leader can be removed. If a bad emperor gets into power in an empire then the empire is stuck. This is one of the many reasons a republic is a more stable and superior form of government compared to an empire.

The idea that the Emperor would quickly discover if the trade system was guilty or not is mostly wishful thinking. A single individual would be far less capable of understanding what was happening across an entire galaxy. The Emperor would more likely punish without caring if they were really guilty. However, spreading out authority over many senators meant that individuals would be responsible for understanding much smaller and more manageable regions. The senators could not act without the approval of the senate, but that is a good thing. It slowed things down, but it meant that no single individual had the complete authority.

2. Superior Technology
In years following the American Revolution there were massive updates in weaponry. The Harpers Ferry/Springfield model 1795 musket was developed, and then improved even more in 1812 model[1][2][3]. Every generation in human history has seen technological improvements over the generation before. There is nothing unusual about this and no reason to think that technology would not have improved under the Republic.

3. Superior Economy and Employment
While there was an Imperial Academy for officers, since the First Order was molded after the Empire it is far more likely that normal Stormtroopers were kidnapped as opposed to recruited. Since we can"t prove this one way or the other I will let it go.

The Death Stars did employ lots of people. I disagree with the idea that the government as the largest employer is a good model to follow. Free trade where the market creates jobs, as opposed to relying on the government to create jobs, seems like a wiser strategy.

Now let me defend my arguments.

1. High Participation
Senator Palpatine, the guy planning to overthrow the Republic and set himself up as emperor, said that the Republic was not what it once was. I cannot image that anyone would consider him a reliable source on the topic.

Pro"s view that the senators were all corrupt is likely exaggerated, though I am sure any government of that size would have some level of corruption. However, in the Republic there was something to be done about corruption. Corrupt senators could be voted out. In the Empire corruption was just the way of life. The people had no power and could do nothing without the support of the Emperor. Again a republic shows itself better able to handle difficulties than an empire does.

Pro"s suggestion that most Senators didn"t care about the people who elected them seems baseless. There is no evidence that this was true of most senators in the Republic. One corrupt leader might slow down a good idea in a republic, but there would always be someone else to turn to. In the Empire, if the Emperor failed to see the wisdom of an idea than that was it and nothing could be done.

2. Checks and Balances
Some of the Galactic Senate may have been corrupt, but we have no reason to say that most of it was. While we don"t see the Emperor interacting with his people often in the movies, the definition of an emperor is that he has absolute power. There is nothing in the movies to suggest Palpatine was an exception to that rule. Again, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Some senators may have been corrupt, but Palpatine was absolutely corrupt.

3. Moral Superiority
The Empire did not need to recognize the Geneva Convention to know that murdering children is morally wrong.

Saying, "Well, they only murdered an entire planet of men, women and children that one time," is not much of a defense.

Creating a "message" to the Rebellion in the form of the Death Star is itself evil. The message was, "Do what we want or we will murder your families, friends, and everyone on the planet." Again the Empire showed itself to be evil.

Also, we can"t pass off that act of using the Death Star by blaming only Grand Moff Tarkin. Tarkin was evil, and the Empire put Tarkin power.

All the major leaders of the Empire were objectively evil. Darth Vader murdered army officers for failure instead of demoting them. Palpatine tortured Luke when Luke refused to murder his own father. The Empire rewarded evil people with high positions of leadership. Clearly the Empire itself was evil.
Debate Round No. 3


Before I conclude, I'd like to defend my points one final time:

1. Superior Government
The quote I included stated that the bureaucratic Republic was unable to settle the dispute on her planet, therefore, she desired to impeach Chancellor Valorum. I'd say we can reach a middle ground here: an advantage of the Republic is that it was able to recycle leaders at will, however, it was ineffective at settling disputes among planets.

You're forgetting that the imperial government did not solely consist of the Empire. The hierarchy was Emperor, grand moff, and moff. The moffs controlled their regions and reported any issues to the grand moff. It's more than likely that stormtroopers would be on the planet where the dispute was occuring (they were on already on Tatooine and Bespin), meaning that they would contact the moff, who would report to the grand moff, who would report to the Emperor, who would resolve the situation as soon as possible. When the Republic was in power, Naboo had to liberate itself rather than rely on Republic aid.

2. Superior Technology
Those examples are just minor updates, though. You did not mention the main part of the comparison; I said that the Empire creating the Death Star just years after the fall of the Republic is like the thirteen colonies creating nuclear weaponry just years after the American Revolution, considering the Death Star revolutionized space warfare and nothing like it existed in the time of the Republic.

3. Superior Economy and Employment
I highly doubt that the Empire kidnapped children to recruit as stromtroopers. The Empire was well-received at first and would have generated a sense of peace and patriotism; people would be eager to volunteer themselves as soldiers, just as Biggs Darklighter and Luke Skywalker were. The First Order was created after the Empire collapsed, at a time where morale was low and soldiers were needed to combat the New Republic and the Resistance.

A free market is a wiser strategy, and by the looks of it, the Empire generally supported it. Cloud City operated independently. The markets and cantinas on Tatooine (as well as the Jawas and the Hutts) operated independently. The Ewoks operated independently despite having imperial presence nearby. The Empire, whether it was the largest employer or not, created thousands of jobs for the inhabitants of the galaxy and allowed the free maket to generally remain in place.

And now to refute your arguments:

1. High Participation & 2. Checks and Balances
You said that Palpatine is absolutely corrupt, yet the Senate actually likes what he does (wouldn't that make them corrupt as well?). Remember in Revenge of the Sith when Obi-Wan tells Anakin that Palpatine has outstayed his term, yet he is still in office because he is favored by the Senate. By this logic, all it takes is a corrupt leader to corrupt the Senate.

3. Moral Superiority
Nobody really seems to care about the Empire's actions other than the Rebel Alliance, which itself is very small. In Empire Strikes Back, we see that (after the destruction of the Death Star) the Hoth base only occupies a couple thousand rebels. The only government(s) that backed the Rebel Alliance in the films were the Mon Calamari and (maybe) the Bothans depending on whether Mon Mothma speaks of all Bothans as allies or just those that joined the rebels.

On the other hand, we see mega corporations and other societies rally against the Republic and manufacture a massive army in Attack of the Clones (in the scene on Geonosis where Count Dooku speaks with the Separatist leaders.

This would lead me to believe that morality exists differently in the Star Wars galaxy than here on Earth, where morality there is slightly in favor of evil. That's not a point, just an observation.


Let"s take a look at the various arguments one last time. First, I will respond to Pro"s arguments.

1. Superior government.
The ability to remove poor leaders gives the Republic a clear advantage. The Republic was slow at settling major disputes, but I am not convinced the Empire would have been faster. Pro points to the hierarchy of the Empire, but this does not mean a faster response. Either the moffs had complete power over their regions, which brings us back to the corrupting nature of power and suggests that the moffs would have been as corrupt as the Emperor. Or the moffs would report everything to the Emperor, which brings us back to the problem that the Empire was too large for any single man to govern. A third option is that the moffs shared power, which meant that they would likely squabble just as much as the Senate before them and prove no more effective than the Senate.

2. Superior Technology
Pro greatly underestimates the technological advances of the late 1700"s. They might not have looked as cool as the changes we see in Star Wars, but the practical outworking of those changes was significant in warfare. His suggestion that creating the Death Star would be like the thirteen colonies creating nuclear weapons is false. At the end of Revenge of the Sith we see that construction on the Death Star has already begun. This means the technology for the Death Star already existed. This was no great advance on the part of the Empire.

3. Superior Economy and Employment
This argument fully collapsed when Pro agreed that "a free market is a wiser strategy." This destroys the idea that the Empire was doing a good thing by employing millions of people in building projects and a large army. While building projects have their place, Pro has basically admitted that the Empire should have allowed the free market to create jobs the way that the Republic did.

Now I will defend my arguments a final time.

1. High Participation & 2. Checks and Balances
Pro"s only rebuttal on these two points was to say that the Senate must have been corrupt because the members liked Palpatine and allowed him to outstay his term. While this suggests that they were fooled by Palpatine, it does not necessarily mean that they were corrupt. More than that, it fails to address the underlying advantages of the Republic: there are limits on individual power, ways to remove bad leaders, and the opportunity for anyone to have their voice heard and even run for Senate.

3. Moral Superiority
All seven films function as traditional melodramas in which good and evil are defined basically the same way that they are in our world. There is no suggest that morality is any different in Star Wars. There is no getting around the fact that the Empire was objectively evil and that the Republic was morally superior.

I appreciate Pro"s imaginative take on these movies, but the fact remains that while the Republic was far from perfect it was certainly superior to the Empire.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by Megatronimus_prime 3 months ago
I would argue if I could but a agree with you, good luck with whoever you debate with.
Posted by Ragnar 3 months ago
One brought peace and order to the galaxy.
Posted by TheConservativeSocialist 3 months ago
If either of you want to argue Con, you could say something like planets have more representation in the Republic due to the presence of the Senate (abolished during the early days of the Empire), the Republic can provide troops faster by mass producing clones with growth acceleration, or the Republic has the Jedi to lead troops whereas the Empire only has two known force-users (not including any from the Expanded Universe).
Posted by Megatronimus_prime 3 months ago
I would love to debate but I agree with you. The empire is far more powerful and superior is many ways.
Posted by Quintilian 3 months ago
I'm following this debate. I'd argue Pro as well.
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