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jterrell19
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Stonehe4rt
Pro (for)

The God of Christianity exists.

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jterrell19

Con

There have been no arguments to date that sufficiently imply that a belief in God is rational and there are many reasons to doubt that the God of Christianity exists.

It is the case that the claim of 1 religion, more than 1 religion, or no religion is true. It can't be the case that the claim of more than 1 religion is true because they are contradictory. The odds that 1 religion's claim is true are about 4,200 to 1, not including religions that don't exist anymore. If there is one true religion it means that the billions of people who aren't part of that 1 religion, including members of the other 4,199, have clearly missed something huge and that's unlikely. This leaves no religions' claim being true as the most likely case by a very wide margin.

Many religions existed before Christianity. If it is the case that Christianity is true and no other religion that came before it is, then it should be expected for Christianity to differ greatly from all of the others and its claim shouldn't overlap with the claims of other religions but this is not the case. Christianity is very similar to other religions that came before it and its claim overlaps a great deal with other religions' claims.

Christianity claims that God is All Knowing, All Powerful, and All Good. If God does exist, he watched, arms folded, for at the least 100,000 years of human suffering, struggling, fighting, dying, and almost going extinct with indifference. This is a direct contradiction with the aforementioned All Knowing, All Powerful, and All Good claim by Christianity's own definition.
Stonehe4rt

Pro

While I have many oppositions to the statement "there are no arguments to date that sufficiently imply that a belief in God is rational and there are many reasons to doubt that the God of Christianity exists". While this is false and there are many rational theories out there, no theory can force someone to accept it.

You state that there were many religions before Christianity. However this is not actually true. Before Christianity became what it is, it was simply the old testament. Which is one of the oldest religions to date. Hinduism and Zoroastrianism are no doubt older, but I will touch one those later. Christianity is a religion that is not only one of the oldest (due its origin being the old testament, Judaism) but it also has historic back ground.

The New Testament which Christianity implements are all historic. In fact, many old testament books also have been proved as true history. For example: The world believed that Sodom and Gomorrah was a fake city. However trade deals and letter have been found referring to this very city. The story with Sampson was denounced because temples were not normally built with two pillars being within arms reach. However, a temple that collapsed in on itself due to two pillars which were close enough to be in arms reach were pushed over has also been found.

Now let us go on to your statement: "Christianity is very similar to other religions that came before it and its claim overlaps a great deal with other religions' claims". A key difference that Christianity has, that no other religion has, is lack of selfish nature and interest. Buddhism for example, some would say this is the least selfish religion. However it's actual "end goal" is rather selfish. In Buddhism you reincarnate over and over, and the tenets of this are too produce good fruit in the world and try to help progress the world. However the main goal is too leave this world behind, to give up. Desires in Buddhism are what causes suffering (In Christianity, desires are good things, but meant to be controlled. They were created for a reason), and the end goal is to run away from what makes us suffer. To leave the world behind, even if others are left to suffer (Christianity wants to save and love others). This is the selfish end goal of Buddhism, trying to be a "good person" just so you can give up on the world. What about Hinduism? Karma in general is a very self interest belief. "I should do good things so bad things don't happen to me", this is what Karma is. If you are someone's slave today, that is because you were bad in your past life, you deserve everything that happens to you. This is what Hinduism teaches. Zoroastrianism is also a deed based faith, that doing good things will "earn" you way into heaven. Islamic beliefs also need to "buy" their way into heaven, so that they can have their worldly desires satisfied (another difference with Christianity).

Back to Christianity, what beliefs does Christianity teach? "Your good deeds are like filthy rags to me." The God of Christianity does not care if you donated all your life savings to charity, just so that you can look good. What God cares about is, who you are. Out of Faith comes good deeds not the other way around.

An interesting fact is, Christians don't actually go to heaven. This is a big misconception. Christians end times paradise is after a new heaven and earth are made. Where we will be raised back to life. Given new bodies and a paradise where there will be no suffering. A utopia. But one run with a everlasting and good leader, God himself.

Another argument I would make, is that many of the similarities that religions have with Christianity is due to the fact that "The word of God is written upon our hearts". We know what is right and wrong, why else would so many religions have so many similarities when it comes to doing good. Heck, Buddhism and Christianity pretty much have the same golden rule "Treat others how you want to be treated". This is why I would argue Christianity is the oldest religion because it has always been within us and the Christian God has always been recognized throughout History. "God IS Love". Even a person who has never heard of God can still be Christian and not even know it. Because a Christian is someone who tries to be Christ-Like. Aka Sin Free.

So what separates Christianity and other religions? Christianity is not a deed based "religion". After all, there are no set religious things you must do. There are things you shouldn't do and need to abstain from, but there is nothing that you have to do. You don't need to be circumcised lol. While it may recommend certain things to us, God does not need nor want anything FROM you, except to simply love everyone. Including him.

Yes you may say areas in the Bible contradict the thought of "loving everyone". However there is a difference between necessity and hate. Yes many killings have happened in the bible because it is a historic book, not one that simply wants people to believe in it. In fact, if you wanted to make a religion that would appeal to people, you would assure them that their wrong doings are not wrong. It would be a religion that tries to comfort everyone. That is not the Bible. The Bible presents what is right and what is wrong in pretty blatant terms. This offends many, but the Bible isn't something that conforms to people. It is what it is. It is rather plainly stated God does not hate the Sinner (aka anyone, Christian or not), but God DOES hate SIN.

Lastly, you say the Bible claims God is All Knowing, All Powerful, and All Good. However one of these things it doesn't claim. God cannot do anything. This is explicitly shone when God tells us he cannot lie. There are things that God CANNOT do. While it does state that WITH God we can do anything, however if God and Man do not agree, God will not force Man. After all, God obeys his own teachings. He wouldn't simply take Freedom from us, that which is his gift to us. So why doesn't God stop Humans from suffering? Because to do so, he would have to take freedom of will away. Also you stated "almost with indifference" however this couldn't be more wrong as God throughout the Bible has felt great sorrow and desire to reach out and help us. However God and Sin cannot exist in the same place, this is another thing God cannot do. If you Reject God, He cannot help you. Only WITH God are all things possible. To be with God, is to avoid sin. What is Sin? Sin is the act of rejecting God, Sin is the act of perverting something good to cause harm. Just as your hands are good for grabbing things, you can use them to kill. That is what Sin is. I hope this clears a bit of the misunderstandings that pop culture and various other things have portrayed what Christianity is. God is not an apathetic being who watches his children suffer and does nothing. God changes lives that allow him in their lives.

The parable of the Prodigal Child represents this greatly as well as many other things. To summarize: A child asks for the inheritance of his Father, and his Father gives it to him. The child runs away with this money and lives a life of sin and the Father worries endlessly, the child hits rock bottom and comes running home to his Father. What does the Father do? He welcomes him back with open arms and throws a big party for the return of his child and takes care of his child. This, I do believe is the answer to why humans suffer, it is because they haven't come back to God yet. How can he throw you a party if you don't accept the invite? Of course this is not all there is to the parable. It has many meanings and implications.

I know you will probably throw many verses at me trying to show contradictions, and I encourage you to do so, because most of the time, they are used greatly out of context.

This should be fun and I hope we can have a good debate! Who knows? Maybe I will learn something, which I always welcome
Debate Round No. 1
jterrell19

Con

"You state that there were many religions before Christianity. However this is not actually true."

Finnish Paganism, Canaanite Religion, Atenism, Minoan Religion, Mithraism, Manichaeism, Tengriism, Ashurism, Vedism, Olmec. Just to name a few.

"Christianity is a religion that is not only one of the oldest (due its origin being the old testament, Judaism) but it also has historic back ground."

Before the New Testament, it isn't Christianity. The New testament is what make it Christianity and not Judaism. Also there were religions thousands of years before the Common Era.

"For example: The world believed that Sodom and Gomorrah was a fake city. However trade deals and letter have been found referring to this very city."

There are many historical claim made in the Bible that are of course accurate. These 2 cities being proven to have existed doesn't prove any false claims made elsewhere in the text.

"A key difference that Christianity has, that no other religion has, is lack of selfish nature and interest. Buddhism for example, some would say this is the least selfish religion. However it's actual "end goal" is rather selfish. In Buddhism you reincarnate over and over, and the tenets of this are too produce good fruit in the world and try to help progress the world."

To live not just one life but infinitely many lives producing good fruit and progressing the world doesn't seem to me selfish at all. Seems rather selfless. Christianity on the other hand motivates its followers to try and get themselves into an eternity of pleasure leaving those who won’t be saved behind to suffer and on top of that Christians get to enjoy watching and relishing the torments of the damned after getting themselves into eternal pleasure.

"To leave the world behind, even if others are left to suffer (Christianity wants to save and love others). This is the selfish end goal of Buddhism, trying to be a "good person" just so you can give up on the world."

Correct me if I'm not but in both Christianity and Buddhism people ultimately leave everyone else still alive behind. The difference is that in Buddhism, you try to be a good person, and as you said Christianity teaches that "Your good deeds are like filthy rags to me". According to this not only do people ultimately leave everyone else behind, good deeds don't even matter while we are here. Also trying to be a good person doesn't exactly sound like giving up on the world. Again Christians have the privelge of watching and relishing the torments of the damned while living in an eternity of pleasure in heaven.

"An interesting fact is, Christians don't actually go to heaven."

The only way this is true is if God doesn’t exist and Christianity is false or it is true and Christians have wildly misunderstood and misinterpreted the text.

"This is why I would argue Christianity is the oldest religion because it has always been within us and the Christian God has always been recognized throughout History. "God IS Love". Even a person who has never heard of God can still be Christian and not even know it. Because a Christian is someone who tries to be Christ-Like."

As I've listed at the beginning of my rebuttal, There are many religions that came before Christianity which has only existed since the Common Era began and The New Testament was added. The Christian God was not certainly not recognized in the minimum of 100,000 years before God decided to intervene. One cannot decide to be Christian without deciding to be Christian. And if a Christian is just someone who is Christ-like, then there are a large number of other religions and non-religious people who are according to you, accidentally Christian.

"While it may recommend certain things to us, God does not need nor want anything FROM you, except to simply love everyone. Including him."

The Ten Commandments not The Ten Recommendations just to name an example.

"However God and Sin cannot exist in the same place, this is another thing God cannot do. If you Reject God, He cannot help you. Only WITH God are all things possible. To be with God, is to avoid sin. What is Sin? Sin is the act of rejecting God"

Sin only exists because of God. Without God we would be unable to sin because it wouldn't exist.

"God is not an apathetic being who watches his children suffer and does nothing. God changes lives that allow him in their lives."

He did for at least 100,000 years and up to a 1/4 of a million. By your own definition God can't change the lives of those that allow him in their's because that woudl be interfering with our freewill.

You don't need to be circumcised lol.”

I don’t think taking a sharpened rock or knife to mutilate someone’s genitals without their consent is something to be laughed about.

What would it take to convince you that it is more likely for the God of Christianity to not exist than exist?



Stonehe4rt

Pro

1. How Old is Christianity?
While Christianity is different from Judaism due to the New Testament, the Old Testament is still apart of it. It is the same God, and religion, the Old testament is apart of Christianity, so to say Christianity didn't exist then is false. Christianity just states more recent events that occurred. The New Testament is mostly letters by witness's of God. However the Old Testament is still apart of Christianity. Hence dating Christianity older than Egypt if you go by Biblical dating. As Egypt has been known as "the black land", which is also described as the land of Ham in the Bible. Remember the Old Testament is taken as literal history of the New testament. So to say the God of Christianity didn't exist then, would be false, after all it is the same God.

2. Historical Validation
As my opponent does not disagree that the Bible has true historic event behind it there isn't much to say about this. However this strongly infers that the Bible hasn't been lost through oral tradition as many historic events that have taken place in the bible continue to be proven true, even once that would be considered rather insignificant, such as the layout of temple that Samson had pushed over.

I would also like to point out that it centered around the Middle East. Many people say that God ignored the rest of the world. However from the Middle East it spread to every corner of the world. This may not have happened if it started in say: Hawaii. After all it spread everywhere! Even from the Silk Roads leading to East Asia.

3. Christianity is less selfish than Buddhism and other religions
Buddhism's goal to eliminate self suffering. Christianity goal is to walk the extra mile for each other. God's love is not something earned, Nirvana is. You see? You can't be a Christian in order to have eternal life. You be a Christian therefore you have eternal life. Make sense? Someone who follows Christian tenets ONLY because they don't want to burn in the Lake of Fire, or because they want Eternal life, are not Christian. That is an example of doing good deeds but not being a good person. To be Christian is to love everyone and WANT to help others above all.

4. The Ten Commandments do not require to you do anything!
- Do not worship other Gods. This is telling to NOT to do something
- You shall not make an image of anything in Heaven above or Beneath the Earth. Another Inaction
- You shall not use the Lord's name in vain. Yet another inaction
- Do not work on the Sabbath. Inaction
- Honor your father and mother. You have to go out of your way to disrespect/disobey someone, henceforth this is also an inaction.
- Do not murder. Inaction
- Do not commit adultery. Inaction
- Do not steal. Inaction
- Do not bear false witness against your neighbor. Inaction
- Do not covet your neighbors house, spouse, ect.... Inaction.

You are not required to do anything. You ARE commanded to ABSTAIN from certain actions.

5. Christianity do not want to leave anyone to suffer.
My opponent is mistaken in the idea that Christianity leaves others behind to suffer. One of the basis of Christianity is too spread the Word of God. The parable of the farmer who scatters seeds depicts this quite blatantly:
"Listen! A farmer went out to plant some seeds. As he scattered them across his field, some seeds fell on a footpath, and the birds came and ate them. Other seeds fell on shallow soil with underlying rock. The seeds sprouted quickly because the soil was shallow. But the plants soon wilted under the hot sun, and since they didn"t have deep roots, they died. Other seeds fell among thorns that grew up and choked out the tender plants. Still other seeds fell on fertile soil, and they produced a crop that was thirty, sixty, and even a hundred times as much as had been planted! Anyone with ears to hear should listen and understand."

No matter who or what circumstances, we are to spread the word to all.

6. Christians do not go to Heaven
While my opponent states that most people would disagree with me one this topic, it doesn't change the fact. Read the Bible, "after life" is a mass resurrection on the new EARTH in the City of New Jerusalem.

7. You can be "Christian" without even knowing what that means.
The Bible states that the Word of God is written on all people's heart. Meaning even if you have never heard of God, you can still be accepted. Just follow the Word of God. Want to be a good person. Want to be loving. The bible states throughout itself that whoever is Righteous, is right with God. This is also why Christianity is the most likely to be true. It applies to everyone, regardless of who and where you come from. It even applies to those who are born and raised in different religions. After all, the Bible tells us to test all things with the Word of God. Where is the Word of God? Again, it is in our hearts, we know what is right and wrong. Now, I have stated that Buddhism is inherently self-oriented and it is deed based in end result, there are no doubt good people that are Buddhist. For example, Buddha came before Jesus and of course had no way of knowing about Jesus. Depending on who Buddha was personally, I could see him being raised back up by God.

The case with Lazarus and the Rich man might be another example of this, after all a beggar (Lazarus) would have a hard time knowing about God, only hearing what others had spoken to him. Yet he is told to be with God after he dies and the Rich Man who would have easy access to things such as God and what the scriptures say, ends up burning in the lake of fire.

8. Correlation between Sin and God.
My opponent states that without God, sin would not exist. Well you could also argue that we wouldn't exist either. However, I will put that aside for the debate's sake. You see, your statement correlates God and Sin, however that is not true. After all, in following God there is no sin. To put it simply, there is not a correlation between God and Sin, unless you want to say because God made us, there is Sin.However he also gave us Free Will, it was our choice to Sin, we could have chosen to just keep being good and not sin. Yet we continue to choose to sin. Some would say that Sin is needed to have Free will and that if you get rid of all bad things, nothing is left (Taoism). However this is also not true, if you got rid of everything bad, you would just be left with good. There is no reason why having God would cause Sin, therefore God did not make put us in a situation where we had to sin. Humans chose it.

9. God is not apathetic.
You may feel this way because BIG events haven't occurred that shock the world and scream out God's existence. You may think the times in the Bible had a lot more flash and impact, however many of the events in the bible were things carried out very slowly and the God was always questioned. However over the long period of time we can see how big of an impact it truly is. For example: The Book of Ruth. This story seems so insignificant that you could probably find thousands of people going through similar things every day. However it also demonstrates God's work at hand. Ruth had lost her husband, she was a widow. She had no one to take care of her, and would become a beggar if nothing happened. However she found someone again, they took fancy to each other, got married. Seems like a pretty nonchalant story. So why is it in the Bible? Well the child she has with her new husband becomes the Grandfather of David, which Jesus is born from the line of David.

As I said, thousands of situations like this occur throughout the world, and the truth is: God has a plan for them all as long as they accept it. God is active even in today's world. It might not be noticeable like when we read the Bible, but when you look back, the people of that time didn't realize it either. God can only help, if you allow him to.

So for these Reasons I believe it is Likely that the Christian God is the Real God.
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Posted by Stonehe4rt 8 months ago
Stonehe4rt
Final response, Whew.
Firstly I would just like to point out your own attitude. It is very disrespectful and quiet uncalled for.
Second I would like to point out a blatant lie, you said "He attempted to get in a debate with me, but did nothing and put an automatic forfeit in RD1". But I don't think I have EVER attempted to debate you, and have not forfeited. That is a rather random and weird lie to even tell.

Now, we can debate this if you want to instead of doing these things in the comments as it is just a big distraction, this debate is not between me and you.

As for "God will not force man" again you didn't even bother to read the context here. This was in reference to our Freedom of Will. Like in my previous commit, I showed how a Criminal still has Free Will even though they get punished for being a bad guy. What I was talking about was that God will not take Free Will away from man. While this is a good thing, the consequence is that bad people do bad things.

God doesn't cause suffering, if you think that is the situation, you are only trying to advert the blame from humanity. I think by the amount of times you have attempted to say a certain book or verse proves God is bad, is blatant proof that you don't know the context of which you speak.

Lol you wouldn't judge the taste of a cheeseburger by only eating the bread would you?

I hope whatever has caused such distress in you eases. Sorry that you have been offended, but I stand by my words.
Posted by Stonehe4rt 8 months ago
Stonehe4rt
For your Third comment:
While I agree oral traditions change over time, why do you think God has to repeat himself so many times?
However that is besides the point because God does not only communicate through text. The Bible is a great many witnesses writing about what God has done. Yes God has commanded people to write after giving them a prophesy or commandment so that other will know of it and it will spread.

Now one to the next point, I never stated that Christians ARE Sin Free. If you read what I wrote, I said "Because a Christian is someone who tries to be Christ-Like. Aka Sin Free" TRIES. No normal man is perfect, no one. That is the point. Saying the verses you listed contradict this is also false. When it was said that "No one born of God commits sin", it means that a Christian (aka person who tries to be Christ-like) asks for forgiveness, there is nothing to forgive as God has already done so. We are found blameless in the eyes of the Lord. (Assuming you are truly trying to be good)

God hating Sin, is not a hypocritical thing. God hates it when we hurt one another, or insult one another. But he does not hate the people in particular. Assuming he did, he would just end all humanity with endless floods or what not till we all died. Infact it is amazing he doesn't, considering how wicked the people are, the fact he lets us live is a mercy in of itself.

God doesn't cause suffering, people do. When people get out of hand, God puts them down.

If you think God is bad because of this or that this means we dont truly have Freedom of will, then you are wrong. After all a Criminal has Freedom of Will to choose not to commit a crime, but he does it anyways and is sentenced for life by the Law. Does this mean he didn't have Free Will? Of course not.

He just chose to be evil, and was punished.
Posted by Stonehe4rt 8 months ago
Stonehe4rt
Now to your 2nd Comment:
An easy answer to "if God did not like suffering, he would not have created it" is that he didn't create suffering. We did. Mankind did. Stating God is selfish and likes to see people suffer is very counter-intuitive considering he gave us literally everything we could have ever wanted in the beginning. But Mankind chose to reject God, and all he had gifted us. To be away from God, to push him away, means he cannot help you. Suffering is caused by Man rejecting God.

Now Buddhism teaches to escape from Suffering by abandoning everything. Christianity teaches to live a good life and to do all that you can to spread the Word of God so that more people can be saved.

As for Exodus 20-21, you actually lied about that. Exodus 20-21 pretty much state "eye for an eye". This was the old law. Exodus and Deuteronomy may have many controversial laws, however you must take all the tenets of God together. If you had a plate of Sushi and judged the whole thing based only on the taste of the Ginger, you would be surely mistaken. It must be eaten together. It in no way condones the beating of slaves, or anyone for that matter. It did say, if a master hit a male or female slave and damaged a tooth, they must be freed on account of the tooth. While it may say "stone the unruly child" it also says you will be punished in the way you punish your children. See this is the problem with people who take verses out of context.

As for "Out of Faith comes good deeds", let me reiterate my statement for less misunderstanding.
From the desire to be a good person comes good deeds. Good deeds do not make you a good person. But the other way around. Understand? Saying "Out of Faith" was because a person of faith would try to be a good person.
Posted by Stonehe4rt 8 months ago
Stonehe4rt
Continuing response to your first comment:

You say many would disagree with me saying that Christians do not go to heaven? Even if that is true, it doesn't change the fact that we don't. Death is likened to a sleep a great many times throughout the bible and there are even times when the dead person(s) are "awakened" back to life. It is actually stated many times that Christians are revived in the end. So you can disagree with me all you like, but perhaps you should read the bible instead of googling random verses and chapters out of context.

Nahum is a prophesy of destruction of Assyria, most specifically Nineveh do to the nations evils.
Deuteronomy is a set of laws, farewells and circumstances that Moses had left to his people.
Why is it so cruel? Why did the Hebrew people have to slaughter ALL of their enemies? Well their enemies were people who would burn infants alive. People who would continuously kill anyone who was mentally or physically disabled. Cruelties similar to Nazi Germany towards the Jews. There is a difference between Hate and Necessity. As I said, God won't just force people to be good little puppets. Then they wouldn't be people. The consequence of this, we have bad people. And God raises and guides good people to deal with said bad people. Such as Deuteronomy 13: 12-17 where God is stating that he is going to use the Israelite people to bring down judgement on the evil nations.
Posted by Stonehe4rt 8 months ago
Stonehe4rt
Well then, a few interesting comments have arrived! I guess I should respond, though I usually don't like debating multiple people at once.

For your first comment:
Proofs of Jesus (Outside of the Bible):

"What benefit did the Athenians obtain by putting Socrates to death? Famine and plague came upon them as judgment for their crime. Or, the people of Samos for burning Pythagoras? In one moment their country was covered with sand. Or the Jews by murdering their wise king?"After that their kingdom was abolished. God rightly avenged these men"The wise king"Lived on in the teachings he enacted."
(Mara Bar Serapion, 70 AD)

"They (the Christians) were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food"but food of an ordinary and innocent kind."
(Pliny the Younger, he wrote this around 112 AD I believe)

"The Christians, you know, worship a man to this day"the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account".You see, these misguided creatures start with the general conviction that they are immortal for all time, which explains the contempt of death and voluntary self-devotion which are so common among them; and then it was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws. All this they take quite on faith, with the result that they despise all worldly goods alike, regarding them merely as common property."
(Lucian of Samosata)

There are a lot of non biblical letters that refer directly to Jesu
Posted by backwardseden 8 months ago
backwardseden
And has indeed those fragile frail human frailties.
"God will not force Man" Really? According to what moron? Him? How would he know? What stupid lack of tongue spanking did he collapse from to make such an ignorant statement? Its either that or he kills people or causes suffering, or tells others to do his bidding to force the people he wants to do his bidding as proved with the verses laid out. In other words NO FREE WILL. Threatening people with death is not having free will and that's forcing people to do god's bidding. The 10 commandments are also a prime example. All of them except for one, if not followed are threatened with death. "After all, God obeys his own teachings." Wow um no, god knows everything and we'll just say that you know nothing and those who are christians who number in the billions, and him as a rank amateur, knows nothing. If not, then god is not a god. GOD KNOWS EVERYTHING AND IS ALL KNOWING AND ALL POWERFUL, IS OMNIPOTENT AND PERFECT. NEXT. Indeed we know better though. christians don't however, and that's why they get into so much trouble worldwide.
Well the last paragraph mentions sin yet again. "This, I do believe is the answer to why humans suffer," A great deal of suffering is caused by the belief in his god. Already covered.

jterrell19 - Ah yes, your opponent knows 0 nothing about his god, religion and bible. He attempted to get in a debate with me, but did nothing and put an automatic forfeit in RD1. What does that tell you?
Posted by backwardseden 8 months ago
backwardseden
https://www.youtube.com... - Bart Ehrman - Bible Debunked in 4mins! Now here's a key point that he states in which our kind friend will ignore but sorry it can't be ignored... What happens to oral reports over time? THEY CHANGE. Oh boy has his bible changed through translation after translation upon copies upon copies and there's no original to trace it back to, so he and NOBODY knows if they are interpreting correctly or not. Be that as it may, no stupid god would EVER communicate in text for, the worst form of communication so everybody like him could get it wrong. "Because a Christian is someone who tries to be Christ-Like. Aka Sin Free." He doesn't even know how disjointed that is in his bible because it debunks itself which only leads to utter chaos and confusion. Does every man sin? Yes. There is no man who does not sin (I Kings 8:46; see also 2 Chronicles 6:36; Proverbs 20:9; Ecclesiastes 7:20; and I John 1:810) No. True Christians cannot possibly sin, because they are the children of God. Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God.. (I John 5:1). We should be called children of God; and so we are (I John 3: 1). He who loves is born of God (I John 4:7). No one born of God commits sin; for Gods nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God (I John 3:9). But, then again, Yes! If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (I John 1:8)
"but God DOES hate SIN." And the worst sin is to go against god as previously proved. Wow what a super massive hypocritical contradiction.
"There are things that God CANNOT do." Well I've been doing this for 42+ years and have talked with about 25,000 on this very subject and clearly this teeny bopper does not have the skunk perfume under his you know where areas to even have the gumption to know or understand what he is squawking about. Again BILLIONS would disagree with him. And if true then its simple, then his god is not a god.
Posted by backwardseden 8 months ago
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Then the moron decides to mention Buddhism. Buddhism teaches the "end" of suffering. His sad pathetic christ teaches the "beginning" of suffering. Oh yes, his god LOVES suffering especially that of children, women, gays etc etc etc. If this god of his did not love suffering, he would not create it. Simple. Nah he and his kind cannot think that far ahead to think, reason, rationalize, use common sense, nor use logic. That's because his god, religion, and bible doesn't have a single ounce of it. Duh. But we already knew that. "If you are someone's slave today," Well his god endorses slavery with nothing to abolish it EVER. Exodus 21. And 20-21 endorses the beating of slaves almost to death. Sheesh.
"Out of Faith comes good deeds not the other way around." What a silly little statement from a silly little person who clearly does not know his subject matter. Faith is proof of NOTHING. And your opponent says he has PROOF????????????? More like dementia. "Why would you believe anything on faith? Faith isn"t a pathway to truth. Every religion has some sort of faith. If faith is your pathway you can"t distinguish between christianity, Hinduism, judaism, any of these others. How is it that you use ---reason--- in every of the other endeavor in your life and then when it comes to the ultimate truth, the most important truth your"re saying that faith is required and how is that supposed to reflect on a god? What kind of a god requires faith instead of evidence?"
"Christians don't actually go to heaven." Well billions of christians would happen to disagree with him. NEXT.
"is that many of the similarities that religions have with Christianity..." No its the other way around. What did christianity plagiarize in other words...
https://www.youtube.com... - Seth Andrews - The Copycats: How Christianity Steals The Best Ideas
https://www.youtube.com... - Noah's ark is plagiarized.
Posted by backwardseden 8 months ago
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Con actually you needed to state the Pro for this. Regardless you are 100% correct and the idiot sweaty piece of rear end wipe Stonehe4rt is 100% wrong. There's not one thing, not one, that he said that happens to be true. It is very crystal clear that he has to invent excuses and or flat out lie as nearly all christians do in order for him to cover his a$$eth and his pathetic wretched religion and god in which hates children for jeez sakes. "Before Christianity became what it is, it was simply the old testament. Which is one of the oldest religions to date." Not even close. And had he bothered to study/ do some actual research rather than babble from the maw, then he'd know this. I mean according to his bankrupt scholars in his field his religion is roughly 6,000 years old. Awe gee, well religion is as old as man and NOT as old as god who he cannot even prove even exists in the first place. No one can. "The New Testament which Christianity implements are all historic. In fact, many old testament books also have been proved as true history." Actually nothing is. There's nothing about god that has been proven. Nothing. Not even christ. https://www.youtube.com... - Kris 12:30. Because of there was then god would be the only god (in which the bible flatly denies) worshiped and there would only be one religion. And who knows which "godly" religion that would be? "Is lack of selfish nature and interest." IS THAT MAGGOT TOTAL IDIOT WHO KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT HIS RELIGION KIDDING? christianity is the most selfish religion there is. Perhaps he should read his fricken bible to see how selfish his god truly is. If his god doesn't like how someone does something, he either kills them, causes great suffering, or orders someone else to do the killing for him. Deuteronomy 13, Deuteronomy 17: 2-5 Numbers 31, the entire book of Nahum are perfect examples among hundreds of verses are laws and examples of this. But ONLY NOT to christians. NO ONE ELSE.
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