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Esiar
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logic123
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The God of Islam Is Evil

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Started: 1/9/2015 Category: Religion
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Esiar

Pro

Round 1 - Acceptance & First argument (Accept and explain why Islam's God isn't evil)
Round 2 - Rebuttal
Round 3 - Rebuttal
Round 4 - Rebuttal
Round 5 - Conclusion
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1. According to Islam, Jesus is not the Son of God (Sura 10:68 & 112), yet this god's deception is the reason why the "heretical" belief that Jesus is the Son of God exist.

Surah 4:157 says, "And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.".

This "God":
1) Didn't tell anyone Jesus wasn't crucified until nearly 600 years later.
2) Preserved no evidence that the disciples didn't believe that Jesus was/is the Lord.
3) Didn't preserve any of the "Original" Gospel.

All of the worst things this god could have done, which he did do, has lead to over 2 billion people on the path to Hell. Couldn't have Allah have exposed Paul when Paul was alive? Couldn't he preserve evidence that the disciples didn't believe Jesus was/is the Lord, and have preserved the "Original" Gospel, to leave every single Christian who came to that knowledge without a single excuse?

2. This god is a liar.

Sura 7:157 says, "Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel". Where is the unlettered prophet (Muhammad) written of in the books of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and/or Deuteronomy? Where is he in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and/or John?

A Muslim may say that he was mentioned in the original versions, but they can give no evidence that these original versions ever existed. The oldest Old Testament records (The Septuagint and Dead Sea Scrolls. These span from 300 B.C. to 50 A.D), are largely in agreement with the Bible we have today (And we can simply fix all the errors), and the oldest New Testament manuscripts (The oldest manuscript from the Gospels are only from the second century, so about a 2nd-3rd hand account of Jesus' life), are in multiple languages, spanning across many time periods. All are in agreement with eachother, and the current Gospels.

Therefore, a Muslim either has to support their claim that an Original Torah and Gospel existed, and show where Muhammad is mentioned there, or they have to support their claim that Muhammad is in the Bible we have today (Which is the same as it was 2,000 years ago, unless they want to prove that wrong).
logic123

Con

The God of Islam is not evil, because he is good by definition and cannot be evil. Everything that he does is good.
Debate Round No. 1
Esiar

Pro

You'd have to demonstrate that the god of the Qur'an even exist to use that logic.
logic123

Con

I prefer modern proof of God.
1. You cannot see Allah.
2. Allah has sent miracles and prophets to prove himself.
3. Quran contains proofs of Allah.
All you have to do is read Quran.
Debate Round No. 2
Esiar

Pro

1. I cannot see the Christian God.
2. Allah did not preserve any evidence of his prophets believing in him (I.e., Jesus and the apostles)
3. The Bible contains proofs of the Christian God.
logic123

Con

The Bible is false. Here's classic argument against Christianity :
1. Look at any tree you want.
2. If you look closely you will notice that there is the Holy "Tree"-nity in them.
3. You will see that trees are not eternal, omniscient, etc.
4. Christian God is not eternal, omniscient, etc.
5. The Bible is false.
Debate Round No. 3
Esiar

Pro

Tree is an English word. English didn't exist at the creation.
God is the cause of time, meaning he must be timeless (Eternal), no matter what way you put it.
logic123

Con

logic123 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
logic123

Con

logic123 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by NoMagic 1 year ago
NoMagic
The Jew/Christian/Muslim god is all the same god. The books just make different claims regarding the same god.
Posted by purpleduck 1 year ago
purpleduck
If you actually read some history you would know what I said is true. Jesus was Jewish, Christianity stems from Judaism. In fact, Christianity almost became a sect of Judaism. In Islam, Muhammad is called the "Third Prophet", the first two being Moses and Christ. Moreover, Allah is really just Arabic for God, non-Muslims and especially anti-Muslims use Allah to make Islam seem alien and different.
Posted by gruntel 1 year ago
gruntel
this is a not a debate, but a bunch of blind faith assertions.
Posted by gruntel 1 year ago
gruntel
con wrote: "Christian God is not eternal, omniscient, The Bible is false etc" - he is completely avoiding the topic by turning this into a battle between islam and christianity. And by the way, Judaism holds the biblical God to be omniscient, etc.
Posted by imaca 1 year ago
imaca
firstly you'd have to begin by defining the word "evil" and everyone has there own definition.
The Way I see it has nothing to do with satan,demons,hell etc etc the vast majority of the "evil" acts carried out in the world today are as I see it carried out mostly by people that are either convinced by others or convince themselves that as long as they believe that they are the righteous ones it's perfectly acceptable and justifiable to execute anyone who doesn't share the same beliefs .
How ironic is it that the vast majority of "evil"acts are committed by those That believe that they are the good guys!
I refuse to believe or accept that the extremist who chooses to execute the innocent journalist cannot fathom that he's committing an unjustified and completely barbaric act of murderous "EVIL" and nor do I accept that he is so Nieve that he cannot see that his instructions came not from any God but from a man who cares more for properganda than for life in itself.
Basically it isn't evil unless you personally perceive it as such we all enter life with the same emotions and we all decide for ourselves what matters most.
If it were possible to remove the worst greed,hatred,intolerance,ignorance,arrogance,vengeance,selfishness etc etc the list goes on and live only by our finer traits acceptance,tolerance,empathy,love,respect and above all others remorse without remorse we won't ever be able to understand were we went wrong or be able to learn from our mistakes and rectify them .
for me it's quite simple the planet earth is Segregated by us and until we all learn that we are in it together and to take care of one and another nothing is ever going to change.
look at it like this the next time you get comfortable on your big leather sofa and turn on your 50" tv maybe remind yourself that there are less fortunate people in this world that you cannot even begin to relate to that have never even seen a TV and that the Ebola virus is not a myth.
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Posted by ACHOSEN1 1 year ago
ACHOSEN1
How do Muslims worship the same god as Christians and Jews when they worship a stone? Jews worship the wall and Christians worship a so called "all loving god."
Posted by logic123 1 year ago
logic123
They cannot worship the same God, because Jewish God is reasonable, Christian God is rational and Muslim God is logical. Reasonable is true, while rational is false and logical is non-existent.
Posted by purpleduck 1 year ago
purpleduck
*sigh*, when will people realize that Jews, Christians, and Muslims all worship the same God, just in different ways?
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Vote Placed by tejretics 1 year ago
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