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charlie139
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momo_taro
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The Godfather is the best film ever made, and without it Hollywood wouldn't be the same.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/19/2007 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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charlie139

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I am in favor of the Godfather being the best film ever made, but i also believe that hollywood wouldn't be the same without it, let me explain...
What I am saying is that without the Godfather part 1 there would be no Shawshank, no Pulp Fiction, no Snatch, no The Good The Bad And The Ugly, you get the idea?
Now before you say that the Godfather has nothing to do with these films, and didn't make an impact on them at all, it has. You see, where would all big industries be, without rivalry? Imagine heavy metal; but without Metallica, Imagine rap and hip hop; without Dr Dre? without the "creme de la creme" the rest wouldnt exist, because no one would be trying to beat it.
When a film is made, especially after the Godfather, the directors weren't trying to make the films good, for the viewers benefit, they didn't want there film to be good, no no no, they always want to beat the Godfather.
Without the Godfather there wouldn't have been the competition to beat it, there wouldn't have been the rivalry, the effort, and the sheer brilliance of all those other films that are close, but no cigar.
momo_taro

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OK Charlie lets give this a whirl. You sy it is the greatest film ever made. That is a fantastic OPINION. this debate however isn't worried about your opinion so from now on we aren't going to debate that aspect.

Now onto the "Hollywood will never be the same" argument. That is a very broad term i must say. Changed Hollywood forever well honestly, If i went to Hollywood and took a dump right there in the street then that would cause "Hollywood to never be the same." If Hollywood was so effected by this "greatest movie ever Godfather" than why haven't i seen it. If these others are so great why haven't i seen them. As much of a clint eastwood as i am how come i haven't seen these 'gods' of Hollywood.

Oh, one more thing how was The Good The Bad And The Ugly effected by the godfather pt1 when The Good The Bad And The Ugly was produced in 1968 and The godfather was produced in 1972? Awnser that one...
Debate Round No. 1
charlie139

Pro

First of all if this argument isn't worried about my opinion, it cant be worried about yours either. But what realy surprises me is that you say about not arguing with opinions, you give yours which is the godfather cant be the greatest movie ever made because you haven't seen it! how can you judge something that you haven't seen!
Also about "those other hollywood gods" that couldn't have been that good if you haven't seen them, HOW do you think you are going to argue about the godfather changing hollywood, if you haven't seen the godfather and know nothing about Hollywood.
For your fantastic question about the good the bad and the ugly, What i meant about the Godfather changing hollywood was changing everything AFTER it was released but i didn't think i would have to spoon feed that to you like a baby.
"as much of the clint eastwood i am" what is that supposed to mean, that you run around hollywood with awierd hat having a dump on every street corner, like you said, "that would change hollywood" im not talking about the city, i am talking about the films, but can have a dump in Hollywood if you realy want to, if you think that will help you win this argument go ahead nobodys stopping you...
I like your style of quit talking about opinion lets start talking about having a dump in Hollywood, I relly thought this would be a challenge...
I would like to ask you one last thing, do you really expect to win this argument about "The Godfather is the best film ever made, and without it Hollywood wouldn't be the same." if you havnt seen the Godfather, and dont know what im talking about when i mention hollywood or the Shawshank redemption? I would to argue with someone who knows what im talking about, and more importantly, what im talking about. And no go on about having a dump in the street.
momo_taro

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Debate Round No. 2
charlie139

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momo_taro

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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Capt.Herp 9 years ago
Capt.Herp
Godfather 2 was better than GF1. So there goes your premise.
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