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The Gospel According to Carrier

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Started: 12/15/2017 Category: Religion
Updated: 1 month ago Status: Post Voting Period
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backwardseden

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https://www.youtube.com...;- The Gospel According to Carrier
Published on Nov 24, 2017
Was Jesus an author's literary invention and not a real person? In this 30 minute documentary interview, Historian and Author, Dr. Richard Carrier posits that the anonymous gospel writer (Mark) borrowed themes from Jewish scripture, Homer and the Jewish-Roman war to create a fictitious character in order to promote a new message. Carrier explains that the origin of Christianity was a version of Jewish Hellenism and a later evolution of the common mystery religions of the Mediterranean in the early first century.

Produced by 11th Story (Lora Nigro, Kevin Rutkowski and Vincent Gaudes)

Music by Rob McWilliam

"Flesh and Blood" written and performed by Lora Nigro


Richard Carrier is a philosopher, historian, and author specializing in the contemporary philosophy of naturalism and secular humanism, Greco-Roman philosophy, science, religion and particularly the origins of Christianity. He blogs and lectures worldwide, teaches courses online at Partners for Secular Activism.

Books:
Science Education in the Early Roman Empire (Oct 2017)
On the Historicity of Jesus (2014)
Hitler Homer Bible Christ (2014)
Proving History (2012)
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Richard Carrier more than proves the total idiocies of the gospels, christianity, christ, Mark, Paul etc. and how stunningly ridiculous they are.

RULES:
Prove that christ is divine and worthy of worship and that you as a christian can follow his every word according to the bible.



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lIlIlIllIIIIllIlI

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Would you mind giving timestamps that are specific towards what you're trying to argue/say?
That would be nice, thanks
Debate Round No. 1
backwardseden

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Figures that a teeny bopper like you who wants to add something to this WELL DEFINED debate and can't even figure out something that is so ridiculously simple. Also you did not watch the video to see that "timestamping" (which is not even considered to be a word according to dictionary.com) does not matter and wow does it prove that your debate to be most juvenile and inadequate at best and does not even show what you are talking about. The term "timestamp" as wikipedia puts it is... "A timestamp is a sequence of characters or encoded information identifying when a certain event occurred, usually giving date and time of day, sometimes accurate to a small fraction of a second. The term derives from rubber stamps used in offices to stamp the current date, and sometimes time, in ink on paper documents, to record when the document was received. Common examples of this type of timestamp are a postmark on a letter or the "in" and "out" times on a time card." Indeed that most certainly DID NOT take place at the time of YOUR unproved christ achoo. " rubber stamps used in offices to stamp the current date, and sometimes time, in ink on paper documents, to record when the document was received" Clearly that had NOTHING to do with the time period because "rubber stamps" um nope and all who were in the presence of your so-called messiah could not read nor write either. Also you should have not accepted this debate for something in which you clearly know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about. Sheesh! I'm really tired of those who enter my debates and they have no idea, none, as to what they are squawking about.
lIlIlIllIIIIllIlI

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I'm sorry, I should've given a definition to get rid of semantics.
Time stamping: record the time or date of.
To be specific, I wanted the times of him specifically proving "the total idiocies of the gospels, christianity, christ, Mark, Paul etc. and how stunningly ridiculous they are"
As for you notating me as a teeny bopper
Ad hominem: (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
For one, you took the form of attacking me and refused to actually give specific time stamps.
"Ad hominem attacks can take the form of overtly attacking somebody, or more subtly casting doubt on their character or personal attributes as a way to discredit their argument"
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Debate Round No. 2
backwardseden

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See? That's why you are a teeny bopper, clearly without an edumacation and an intelligence. TIME STAMPING for the final time does not matter. And had you watched the video, in which case you clearly hadn't, your micron brain would have figured that one out. Should you post another argument/ post, it will rightly and justly be ignored. Why do I get all the idiots who cannot AT ALL come up with any convincing arguments to counter what is originally stated? Bye.
lIlIlIllIIIIllIlI

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For one, your resolution is clearly dishonest and a stretch. I don't see how the Bible, written by men, would display how a divine entity should or should not be worshipped. It isn't about a God "deserving" worship in our eyes, but that he is, in actuality, deserving of worship.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by backwardseden 1 month ago
backwardseden
No because if you google "debunking christianity" and or "debunking christ" you are going to have a very difficult time finding a leader. Carrier is probably in the top 25 though. Not in the top 10. Not anywhere near. But Carrier on his own does a fine fine job on his own debunking christianity which isn't hard to do. But its also obvious that you did not watch the video, nor have you seen any of his other videos and or debates, nor have you read any of his outstanding books.
Posted by Raumulus 1 month ago
Raumulus
Wouldn't a more fitting resolution be Carrier (does/does not) prove that Christ is an author's invention?
Posted by backwardseden 1 month ago
backwardseden
christ was the most extreme printed self righteous egotist of all time next to god. Both in which cannot even be proved having ever existed.
Posted by Raumulus 1 month ago
Raumulus
Thats a pretty extreme resolution based on the source material.
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