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The Government Should Remove The "In God We Trust" From Our Money

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Started: 8/5/2015 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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The "In God We Trust" phrase printed on our money violates the separation of church and state.


Well, God is maker of heaven and earth... And a church is a fellowship of people. It doesn't say seperation of "God and State" But says "Seperation of Church and State".
Debate Round No. 1


Wow that was an incredibly weak argument.
Just because it does not endorse a specific religion like Christianity doesn't make it non-religious. The concept of god is a religious concept and according to the establishment clause "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
The reason God should not be mention in our money is because some of us believe in more than one god, and some of us don't even believe in a god like myself.
The Government is supposed to represent all of its citizens irrespective of race, gender, religion, and sexual orientation. By respecting a religious stance the government misrepresents and fails to acknowledge those with different beliefs by upholding one religious view over others. This is a form of religious oppression because those of us with different beliefs are forced to use money that displays views we don't believe in
This is why it's illegal to have religious symbols on public property, and why public school can't endorse any religion or religious view. The US government obeys the establishment clause in most cases just not when it comes to our currency.


Okay the problem here seems to be that you’re interpreting God to be religion in this context. This policy isn’t referring to God when it mentions religion, it’s talking about the congregations that worship God… This should be obvious, It doesn’t just say “religion”, it says “establishment of religion”, as in the churches. The purpose of the policy was not to completely remove religion from state, but to keep congress from favoring one denomination over the other, which is why it specifies “establishment” instead of religion altogether. The purpose of it was not to remove God, but to remove favoritism between the churches. I view it to be a perversion of the policy if it is used to remove God.

It might be true that America is not technically a Christian nation, but to assert it to be a secular nation is downright WRONG. It’s certainly is a religious nation. Even in our own declaration of independence it states “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights” In “God we Trust” explains our American heritage perfectly, because it’s the truth.

Seriously, you’re griping about being forced to use money for things you don’t believe in? Dude, my tax money is being used to fund public education, and they teach uniformitarianism and evolution there (and a list of other things I don’t believe in), something I detest and view it to be lies, it’s a form of secular oppression to me. Welcome to America, the place where the government takes your money and funds things you hate, rather your religious or not.

It’s not a failure to acknowledge or misrepresent, it’s more like flat out rejection. The declaration of independence clearly rejects atheism, so the government should as well because atheism is anti-american, at least as far as the founding fathers are concerned. The American government should represent our American heritage, Atheism is not American at all. If you find this offensive, I’m not sorry at all, us being a religious nation is our identity and heritage given by our forefathers, it’s what it means to be American, and that I’m happy for. If you hate it, there’s plenty of other nations out there for you to migrate to, just saying, I have no interest in backstabbing our forefathers whose God made this nation great.

Debate Round No. 2


There is no problem with me interpreting God to be religious in context because God is a religious concept. To say God is not a religious concept is just plain wrong. The definition of religion is "the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods." You can't separate God from being a religious concept. It's semantically incorrect.
When the establishment clause says the establishment of religion it's talking about the government establishing a religion or a religious state, which the establishment clause forbids. This is not exclusive to just Christian denominations it's any religious view.
America is a secular nation. the definition of secular is "denoting attitudes, activities, or other things that have no religious or spiritual basis". This is why teachers in public schools can't promote any religious view because public schools are government institutions. and also why public properties can't have religious symbols on them.
The phrase "In God in trust" was placed on our money, and pledge in the 1950's in response to the cold war. Before that it was well understood doing so was against that the establishment clause.
It is okay for the government to force people to pay taxes in order to fund public education as long as they teach facts only. If the Government didn't have people pay taxes to fund education, the literacy rate in the US would dramatically decrease.
Unfortunately for you evolution happens to be a scientific fact, and so does uniformitarianism.
And why are you whining about secular oppression if you believe that the US isn't secular.
The Declaration of Independence does not reject atheism, and even if it did, the Declaration of Independence is not the Fundamental law of the land, the Constitution is. The Declaration of Independence is just a document that decreed The American colonies' independence from Britain. It's basically nothing more than a historical document.
In addition the whole point of the Declaration of Independence was to free The Us colonies from the oppression of Great Britain (including religious oppression).
The US is all about protecting the minorities, this is why Blacks were given the same rights as whites even though whites made up a majority of the country.


That’s not the definition of religion, in fact it’s a horrible definition of religion. It targets theism specifically when there are religions that are atheistic (e.g. Buddhism) this definition is completely biased. But all this aside, it doesn’t matter how we ourselves define religion, the question is what did they mean by the “establishments of religion” and what it’s function was. It’s function was never intended to remove God, it was intended to remove Church favoritism. You need to understand that the authors of this amendment viewed God as a self-evident fact of life, when they were talking about “establishments of religion”, they were talking about churches not God himself.

The reason why God is not taught in school is because the intelligent design group were being dishonest in their case. Which was extremely detrimental. It’s not because we are a secular nation, it’s because the presenter’s credibility was destroyed. Just about every debater knows that you can have a perfectly winnable case, but if you lose credibility, you will lose no matter what you do.

Also they don’t teach facts in natural science, because they can’t, you would be severely misunderstanding science literature if you think that is true. For example evolution and the big bang are theories, not a fact, theories are popular speculations by scientists, not facts. Just because the universe expands doesn’t mean it exploded, I expand as I get older, but that doesn’t mean I exploded. The way how science works is that they look at the “evidence” that coincides with a naturalist worldview, and try to speculate on how things happen…. When new evidence surfaces they change their speculation in hopes to fit the evidence because that is the rational thing to do. There is no absolute truth (Facts) in natural science, simply because that is not how science works.

Well yeah, literary would drop. If the idea is to increase literary, then we can also offer to teach opposing literacy. As in we don’t have to just teach naturalism in public schools, but require to teach creationism as well. That would increase literacy dramatically. Children would have a much more rounded and fair education, one that isn’t being suppressed by secularists. And this’ll enable kids to have a better understanding of American values and heritage, the primary one is belief in God. I just find it absurd that kids can’t learn about the creator in American schools, even when our very own declaration of independence asserts his existence. The kids in school should know their maker.

Secular nation? Are you blind? Lets see I could list them out… there is tax exemption of churches, chaplaincies in the armed forces, the "Pray for Peace" postmark, the widespread observance of Christmas holidays, and, in classrooms, singing the fourth stanza of America which is prayer invoking the protection of God, and the words "in God is our trust" as found in the National Anthem, and the reciting of the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag, modified by an Act of Congress of June 14, 1954, to included the words "under God". We are certainly a religious nation, most of our institutions presuppose a supreme being. theres a lot more evidence i could list. Seriously, the fact that our very own currency has “in God we trust” is proof we are a religious nation and not a secular one.

Yes it does reject the atheist position…. It says “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights” That is clearly rejecting the atheist position. Atheists don’t believe in a maker. It even mentions God when it says “…station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them,” The document is more than that, it tells us why we have some fundamental human rights in America, and why the policies are structured the way they are. Why do we have unalienable rights? Because of God. The thing is, if we don’t teach that there is a creator, we might risk raising a generation that will second guess our human rights because they don’t believe in God. This is why Kids should learn about their creator in schools to secure these American values.

Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by gabbywolff 1 year ago
Who cares? It's just a motto. How is placing a motto that has the word God in it a violation of your constitutional rights? I mean how much power is being that Motto? How many people notice it? I think this is a trivial argument.
Posted by Paraney 1 year ago
@elthagreat says that "In God We Trust" does not apply to people who believe in more than one god, but he is incorrect. Polytheistic religions also use "God" to represent a favoured god or all gods. "God" doesn't have to mean one God, but can mean the entire belief of religion.

Religion = God
Posted by Rami 1 year ago

Why don't people understand that?
Posted by gryephon 1 year ago
BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHA! I can assure you that that God is not a symbol as you say, but is referring to the creator.

I doubt your even american, I can't even wrap my head around an american who believes that.
Posted by Drakodelta 1 year ago
No that is completely wrong because you are relating "God" to welll the "god" you know. It has nothing to do with the establishment of religion. It is but a mere symbol we use to represent out country just like our flag. Some even use it to symbolize our currency, in money we trust, it is but a symbol and should not be removed from our currency.

-I'm am atheist
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