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The Holocaust Really Happened

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Started: 9/28/2012 Category: Miscellaneous
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MasturDbtor

Pro

Rules:

1. NO semantic arguments. The "Holocaust" means exactly what it sounds like, the event in history during the 1940s Hitler's Germany perpetrated against Jews and other groups of people in concentration camps where they were gassed to death, which I will argue has been proven by historical evidence and my opponent will try to refute.
Hamturk

Con

Shall we?
Debate Round No. 1
MasturDbtor

Pro

http://www.ushmm.org...

During the Nuremburg Trials they had about 3000 of records that were submitted at the trial.

There is also photo and film evidence from the Nazis themselves. http://www.ushmm.org...

There is no way they faked all that evidence.
Hamturk

Con

I thought this would be a long thing, anyway...

Records of what exactly?

Ever heard of Fred A. Leuchter? Fred A. Leuchter is America's leading specialist on the design and fabrication of execution equipment, including homicidal gas chambers. In 1988, Leuchter scraped samples from the alleged gas chamber walls in Auschwitz, Birkenau and Lublin. Cyanide residue would be clearly evident on all these walls if gassings did occur. To his astonishment, Leuchter found no significant cyanide traces in any one of these rooms.

In 1991, the Polish government repeated these tests to disprove Leuchter's findings, but they as well found no evidence of any gassings ever occurring.
Debate Round No. 2
MasturDbtor

Pro

http://www.holocaust-history.org...

"Toxicological analysis were carried out in 1945 by the Cracow Forensic Institute (7 Copernicus street) on 4 complete plates and 2 damaged ventilation orifices found in the ruins of Krematorium II. After scraping the white substance that covered these objects back to the metal, 7.2 grammes of scrapings were collected and subjected to two qualitative analysis, which established the presence of cyanide compounds. The report, signed by Dr. Jan Z. Robel, was written on 15th December, 1945 and transmitted to the Examining Judge, Jan Sehn."

"In 1945, an examination by the Institute of Judicial Expertise in Krakow of a sample of hair found in Auschwitz revealed the presence of compounds of prussic acid, the basic component of Zyklon B gas used in the gas chambers of Auschwitz. Traces of the acid were also found in metal objects found in the hair, such as pins, clasps, and gold-plated spectacle holders."

Leuchter Is NOT Credible

Leuchter's only degree was a BA in history. He misrepresented himself as an "engineer", and wrote his findings to help defend a holocaust denier, Ernst Zündel in court in Toronto.
Hamturk

Con

There is further evidence to support his assertion that gassing never happened...

Though six million Jews supposedly died in the gas chambers, not one body has ever been autopsied and found to have died of gas poisoning. We have been shown piles of bodies from World War II, but most of these persons died of typhus or starvation or Allied bombings and a great many of those were murdered Germans, not Jews.

Even if we threw away all the evidence and accounted for every so-called gas chamber, it would have taken 68 YEARS to accomplish gassing six million Jews!
Debate Round No. 3
MasturDbtor

Pro

It could've easily been done in the amount of time that it took.

There were about 1,571,428 Jews killed a year during the holocaust.

This number looks deceptively large, and is exploited by Holocaust deniers.

However, the capacities were:

  • Crematorium I (abandoned as too small) - about 340 people
  • Crematoria II and III - up to 2,500 people in one session
  • Crematoria IV and V - up to 1,500

People could be loaded in and killed every 4 hours.

There were 6 extermination camps and these camps themselves sometimes had multiple gas chambers.

Also, not everyone killed in the Holocaust was killed in the gas chambers the first executions were done with carbon monoxide into the back of vans.



Hamturk

Con

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Debate Round No. 4
MasturDbtor

Pro

All arguments extended.
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Hamturk

Con

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