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The Hummer H2 Good or Bad

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/30/2015 Category: Cars
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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hummerup

Pro

Recently scrolling through the website I saw a thread stating that a Hummer H2 was an unjustifiable vehicle. I would like to debate in defense of this amazing 4.5 ton machine.
TBR

Con

Sure... Why not. I accept.
Debate Round No. 1
hummerup

Pro

Ok the H2 is a wonderful vehicle. It exceeds at just about everything it delivers a smooth ride with superior comfort. It comes loaded with just about everything you could want in a car. It has heated seats, onstar, and leather as standard features just to name a few. Also its a GM product and not only a GM product but a GM truck which means it has superior build quality when compared to any other big vehicles. In addition it has amazing ride height which makes it great for everyday use and clearance which makes it a perfect out of the box 4x4 in addition to that it has locking diffs 35in, BF goodrich A/T's, triple sealed doors for heading water (with ground clearance and everything accounted for you can drive in up to 48in of water without the possibility of water coming in do that in your wrangler!) and skid plates this makes it perfect for offroad use. Then on top of this it uses GM 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton pickup parts which means parts for repairs will be as common as water like a jeep. Although the fuel mileage is low it isn't 10 mpg its somewhere around 11.5-14 mpg and I can attest to that. The Hummers poor fuel mileage isn't to be blamed on its sheer mass and size but instead the powerhouse GM decided to use. GM dropped its 6.0L Vortec gas engine which puts out around 325 hp and 360-lbs of torque. Take this motor out of the H2 and drop it into something say like a silverado, tahoe, or suburban and you will see the same poor 11.5-14 mpg. Even though this isn't exactly the best fuel mileage there are certainly better trucks people could have picked for the bad MPG poster child. For example the Ford excursion gas gets a completely behind lousy 8.5-10 mpg. The silverado 8.1L 2500hd gets 9-11 mpg and the Dodge ram SRT-10 gets 7.5-8.5 mpg. Then when we look back at it today 12 mpg was almost average for any SUV/Truck. 2002 Dodge ram 1500 12 mpg, 2015 Nissan titan gets 13 mpg city, pretty much every Aston Martin ever made gets 12 mpg, Toyota 4 runners average 12 mpg, 2004 Toyota tundra average 12 mpg If I keep going you can clearly see that the H2's 12 mpg average isn't that awful.
TBR

Con

Ok the H2 is a wonderful vehicle.

That remains to be seen.

it delivers a smooth ride with superior comfort.

Mediocre ride quality.

http://www.popularmechanics.com...

It comes loaded with just about everything you could want in a car.

Opinion

http://www.cars.com...

It has heated seats,

Optional

onstar,

Optional/subscription

leather as standard features

“Cloth trim is standard. With the optional leather seats…

http://www.lynchhummer.com...

http://www.cars.com...

Also its a GM product and not only a GM product but a GM truck which means it has superior build quality when compared to any other big vehicles.

https://carfamily.wordpress.com...

In addition it has amazing ride height which makes it great for everyday use

No proof of needed ride height for “everyday use”

and clearance which makes it a perfect out of the box 4x4 in addition to that it has locking diffs 35in,

This makes no sense. If you are saying 35” WHEELES, no it does NOT. http://www.wheel-size.com...

BF goodrich A/T's, triple sealed doors for heading water (with ground clearance and everything accounted for you can drive in up to 48in of water without the possibility of water coming in do that in your wrangler!)

20” is the speck.

http://www.elcovaforums.com...

and skid plates this makes it perfect for offroad use.

Then on top of this it uses GM 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton pickup parts which means parts for repairs will be as common as water like a jeep.

Although the fuel mileage is low it isn't 10 mpg its somewhere around 11.5-14 mpg and I can attest to that. The Hummers poor fuel mileage isn't to be blamed on its sheer mass and size but instead the powerhouse GM decided to use. GM dropped its 6.0L Vortec gas engine which puts out around 325 hp and 360-lbs of torque. Take this motor out of the H2 and drop it into something say like a silverado, tahoe, or suburban and you will see the same poor 11.5-14 mpg. Even though this isn't exactly the best fuel mileage there are certainly better trucks people could have picked for the bad MPG poster child. For example the Ford excursion gas gets a completely behind lousy 8.5-10 mpg. The silverado 8.1L 2500hd gets 9-11 mpg and the Dodge ram SRT-10 gets 7.5-8.5 mpg. Then when we look back at it today 12 mpg was almost average for any SUV/Truck. 2002 Dodge ram 1500 12 mpg, 2015 Nissan titan gets 13 mpg city, pretty much every Aston Martin ever made gets 12 mpg, Toyota 4 runners average 12 mpg, 2004 Toyota tundra average 12 mpg If I keep going you can clearly see that the H2's 12 mpg average isn't that awful.

So what



The Hummer H2 has been a general flop. It is impratical and has been rejected by the market.

Debate Round No. 2
hummerup

Pro

hummerup forfeited this round.
TBR

Con

The total number of Hummer H2 produced is about 150k. Of these cars, a small fraction have been used for the unique features and capabilities it was produced for. They are a symbol for the owners as well as for those that have grown to dislike the car. Considering the failure of the car in the market, it would seem that the overall critique is the car is "bad".

The answer to the question is - the Hummer H2 is not good.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Ragnar 1 year ago
Ragnar
So tempted to post a meme about their drivers.
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