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The Jewish People were mandate by God to reject Jesus as God or the messiah

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Started: 1/22/2016 Category: Religion
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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CapAhab

Pro

In this debate, I will argue that the Jewish people in the time of Jesus were forbiden to worship Jesus as God nor accepting him as their messiah.

Round 1 - Acceptance, Opening Statements, and Questions Only
Round 2 - Opening Arguments Only (No rebuttals)
Round 3 - Rebuttals Only
Round 4 - Counter-Rebuttals
Round 5 - Closing Arguments and Closing Statements

I ask that whoever accepts this debate is a Christian. The Hebrew Bible is in this debate is the only authoritative book, as in the time of Jesus, the New Testament was not written.
clockknight

Con

just like hitler mandated them to go to auschwitz
Debate Round No. 1
CapAhab

Pro

First, as per the New Testament, "God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood"

As per the Law (Torah), sacrifices must be made in a certain manner to be acceptable to G-d. For example, Leviticus 17:4 says "instead of bringing it to the entrance to the tent of meeting to present it as an offering to the LORD in front of the tabernacle of the LORD--that person shall be considered guilty of bloodshed; they have shed blood and must be cut off from their people."

As per the New Testament, Jesus suffered outside the camp (Hebrews 13:2). As per Lev 17:4 anybody that offers a sacrifice outside the camp shall be put to death, thus it was not a valid sacrifice.

Secondly and more importantly, the Children of Israel were mandate not to worship other gods. As per Philippians 2:10, we should worship Jesus. But the Torah warns against worshipping other gods than YVHV (The LORD)

Deuteronomy 32:17 says:

They sacrificed to false gods, which are not God-- gods they had not known, gods that recently appeared, gods your ancestors did not fear.

Deuteronomy 13:16 says:

If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known,

In the time of Jesus nobody worshipped him as god. For example, Peter could have asked his father if they worshipped Jesus and they would have said no. The penalty for worshipping Jesus then should have been death.

Also, the Children of Israel were warned not to worship anything they have not seen at Mount Horeb (Sinai).

Deuteronomy 4:

You came near and stood at the foot of the mountain while it blazed with fire to the very heavens, with black clouds and deep darkness. 12 Then the Lord spoke to you out of the fire. You heard the sound of words but saw no form; there was only a voice.

You saw no form of any kind the day the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman,... And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.

The word Host (tsaba') is the same word use when G-d describes himself as the LORD of Host. It includes any physical and created being. Jesus, being a created man was not supposed to be worshipped as a god. Furthermore, the LORD explicitly said and that they did not see any form. Jesus has a form and so has a golden calf. Could G-d decided to embodied a golden calf? Could he have decided to embodied a man? The answer is yes and no. Yes because G-d could have done anything he wants, but NO because he said He would never do that! And G-d is not a man that he should lie. God is not a man and God is not a liar.

With all those warnings that were given to them, the Jewish people were right not to accept Jesus as their messiah nor accepting him as a god (tri-une god) or anything else.

Finally, if Jesus was anything lower than G-d, it would break the first commandment to worship him as the New Testament writer ask you to do: "You shall have no other gods before my face"
clockknight

Con

clockknight forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
CapAhab

Pro

"just like hitler mandated them to go to auschwitz"

This is irrelevant to the topic. God did not mandate such atrocity, as it is written "they were bruise because of our iniquities".
clockknight

Con

clockknight forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Eeliejun 1 year ago
Eeliejun
maybe ^^
Posted by CapAhab 1 year ago
CapAhab
Eeliejun, I am new too... Maybe next time :)
Posted by Eeliejun 1 year ago
Eeliejun
if you want i can debate whit you but i am realy new
Posted by CapAhab 1 year ago
CapAhab
Round 1 - Acceptance, Opening Statements, and Questions Only
Round 2 - Opening Arguments Only (No rebuttals)
Round 3 - Rebuttals Only
Round 4 - Counter-Rebuttals
Round 5 - Closing Arguments and Closing Statements
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