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The Knicks are the worst team in the four major sports.

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Started: 1/30/2008 Category: Sports
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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mikemc5921

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It pains me to call myself a Knick fan because ever since Isiah Thomas arrived the team has fallen into complete disarray. Sure his first year as GM the Knicks made the playoffs but that was still with a losing record. The team never improved from there losing more and more games and now find themselves in the cellar of the NBA. Since Isiah's arrival during the 2003-2004 season the Knicks have a record of 142-230. It doesn't make sense that a team which has the highest payroll in the NBA could have such a horrible record. Also Isiah Thomas was accused of sexual harassment, not something you want out of your head coach/GM. I conclude by saying that all you need to look at is to see the Knicks disarray is the fans. Knicks fans have been calling for Thomas' firing for quite some time now. Once again, not something that's good for the team.
Daysuit

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The Knicks are bad don't get me wrong but out of all major sports? (which of I'm pretty sure there are more than 4 of but that is beside the point)

I'm just gonna let some copy and paste speak for itself:

[From: http://www.kidzworld.com...

1976 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers may have won the Super Bowl in 2003 with a team loaded with stars like Warren Sapp and Keyshawn Johnson, but things weren't always so bright for those football pirates from Florida. During the team's first season in the NFL in 1976, the Bucs didn't win a single game. They were an embarrassing 0-14 and were outscored 412-125. When the Buccaneers finally won a game the following season, more than 8,000 fans turned up at the airport to congratulate them when they returned home.]

As for an overall pick for worst football team in NFL history goes to the Arizona Cardinals: 0 Championships 0 Superbowl appearances + an embarrassing win loss history.

As for basketball: The worst 19 seasons by any team in any 82 game season doesnt even mention the Knicks.

97-98 Denver Nuggets 3 41 .068 - Eric Williams, 19.8 11-71
93-94 Dallas Mavericks 4 40 .091 1 Jim Jackson, 19.2 13-69
92-93 Dallas Mavericks 4 40 .091 1 Derek Harper, 18.2 11-71
72-73 Philadelphia 76ers 4 40 .091 1 Fred Carter, 20.0 9-73
88-89 Miami Heat* 5 39 .114 2 Kevin Edwards, 13.8 15-67
70-71 Cleveland Cavaliers* 5 39 .114 2 Walt Wesley, 17.7 15-67
00-01 Chicago Bulls 6 38 .136 3 Elton Brand, 20.1 15-67
91-92 Minnesota Timberwolves 7 37 .159 4 Tony Campbell, 16.8 15-67
86-87 Los Angeles Clippers 7 37 .159 4 Mike Woodson, 17.1 12-70
07-08 Minnesota Timberwolves 8 36 .182 5 Al Jefferson, 21.1 15-67 +
96-97 Vancouver Grizzlies 8 36 .182 5 S. Abdur-Rahim, 18.7 14-68
82-83 Houston Rockets 8 36 .182 5 Allen Leavell, 14.8 14-68
04-05 Atlanta Hawks 9 35 .205 6 Antoine Walker, 20.4 13-69
95-96 Vancouver Grizzlies* 10 34 .227 7 Greg Anthony, 14.0 15-67
81-82 Cleveland Cavaliers 10 34 .227 7 Mike Mitchell, 19.6 15-67
99-00 Los Angeles Clippers 11 33 .250 8 Maurice Taylor, 17.1 15-67
96-97 Boston Celtics 11 33 .250 8 Antoine Walker, 17.5 15-67
80-81 Dallas Mavericks* 11 33 .250 8 Geoff Huston, 16.1 15-67
67-68 San Diego Rockets* 12 32 .273 9 Don Kojis, 19.7 15-67

And if you want to talk about history not counting, and only what teams are garbage this season then look no further than the performance of the Dolphins this year. They tied the NFL single season consecutive loss record. Per game no one gets paid more than NFL players on average.
Debate Round No. 1
mikemc5921

Pro

I guess I should have been more specific with the goal of my debate. What i had orinially intended was to be talking about current teams and not just being bad record wise, but also being in complete disarray as a franchise.

You brought up the Dolphins, arguably the worst team in NFL history. But did anyone really expect them to be good? Was anyone saying the Dolphins are destined for Super Bowl victory this year? The answer is no. Granted we didn't expect them to win one game after they brought in Trent Green as the quarterback. However, no one thought they were gonna fit into the AFC playoff picture.
The Knicks on the other hand, even if no one expects them to be good, they should be good. They have the highest payroll in all the NBA. You would think that would bring results. But it doesn't. Year after year the Knicks remain at the bottom of the NBA whether outright last or close to it. Instead James Dolan and Isiah Thomas coninue to spend money and all we get is overpriced "stars" such as Stehpon Marbury and Zach Randolph. Yet still no positive results.
Just to show how bad they are, correct me if I'm wrong, but how many teams have fans that chant to fire they're coach and owner. Thomas' reputation isn't helped by the sexual harassment case.
While record wise there may be worse teams, it's my belief that no team in the four major American sports (baseball, basketball, football, and hockey) is in as bad shape as a franchise as the New York Knicks
Daysuit

Con

Daysuit forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
mikemc5921

Pro

I conclude this debate with a simple statement, the Knicks are horrible. They need to get rid of Isiah Thomas otherwise they have no hope for themselves and their fans.
Daysuit

Con

Daysuit forfeited this round.
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