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THE_OPINIONATOR
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dinokiller
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The M 1911 colt .45 is better than -------

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dinokiller
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/26/2010 Category: Technology
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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THE_OPINIONATOR

Pro

In this deebate you may argue for any pistol of your choosing. The pistol can have different specifications than the one I have chose to argue for. As you know you may not vote for yourself, if you do then I should get the conduct vote.
dinokiller

Con

And so i signs the contract* NO VOTING FOR YOURSELF

Btw, my choice of gun is the G18C (or G18)
Your arguments please, XD
Debate Round No. 1
THE_OPINIONATOR

Pro

M1911 colt .45 specifications
weight:2.44 lb (1,105 g) empty
length:8.25 in (210 mm)
barrel length:5.03 in (127 mm)
cartridge:.45
action:Short recoil operation
Muzzle velocity:830 ft/s
feed system:7-round standard detachable box magazine

The colt .45 was the main pistol from 1911 to 1985 and then was later replaced by the lighter and less powerful Italian Breta. The colt .45 is still seeing service on non-standard uses on todays modern battle field. I will argue my points after my opponent post his argument
dinokiller

Con

G18 specifications:
Weight: 620 Gram (empty)
length: 185 mm (7.28 in)
barrel length: 114 mm (4.49 in)
cartridge: 9x19 mm
action: short recoil operation
muzzle velocity: 375 m/s (1.230 f/s)
feed system: 33-round detachable box magazine

Most the effectiveness range next time, ok?
The G18 is a machine pistol (fully automatic) developed at request of the Austrian Counter-terrorist unit EKO Cobra.
The G18 is a selective fire variant so it can switch from Fully automatic to semi-automatic. Because of it being fully automatic machine pistol, it is unavaible for civilians.

My arguments:
1. The G18 holds 33 rounds and is fully automatic, making it a deadly and lethal weapon, even more powerful then the M1911. The M1911 only holds 7 rounds.

2. As the G18 is lighter and smaller, its easier to carry and to wield.

Your arguments xD

Source:
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Debate Round No. 2
THE_OPINIONATOR

Pro

The colt .45 is a semi-automatic pistol so I ask that my opponent only argue on semi-automatic for I feel that is an unfair advantage in this debate. The colt .45 is a bigger round therefore it is more powerful than the 9mm round.

1. The colt .45 has a bigger round therefore it is more powerful weapon than the G18

2. I know an individual who has an M1911 colt .45 and he has no problem concealing or weilding it

3. I would rather have 7 more powerful bullets than 33 less powerful

Think of this if for some reason you could only use the semi-auto on a G18 and there was a more powerful colt .45 would you pick the less powerful round with more rounds in a clip or less rounds and a more powerful clip? There are also variations of the colt .45 that is more compact, but it still has the power of the .45 round.

The colt .45 is still in use on and off the battle field, its simple design and powerful round make it an effective weapon. Its weight would make it an effective gun to pistol whip with. I ask that you vote PRO because the colt .45 is simple and more powerful than a G18.
dinokiller

Con

And like always, i refute your arguments.

1. The colt .45 has a bigger round therefore it is more powerful weapon than the G18

This argument is weak as nearly all pistol rounds size are around the same. The power of nearly all pistols are equally around the same.

2. I know an individual who has an M1911 colt .45 and he has no problem concealing or weilding it

You are neglecting my point. The G18 is almost 2 times lighter then the m1911 and maybe your individual has no problem concealing it or wielding it, but that doesnt mean that the m1911 is better in term of weight.

3. I would rather have 7 more powerful bullets than 33 less powerful

This is your opinion and we dont opinions here. You say that you prefer 7 strong bullets over 33 less powerful ones, but others might think diffrently. If you claim that people preferred power over capacity, then it could stand as argument. Sadly you didnt brought source with you. This argument is nullified.

"Think of this if for some reason you could only use the semi-auto on a G18 and there was a more powerful colt .45 would you pick the less powerful round with more rounds in a clip or less rounds and a more powerful clip? There are also variations of the colt .45 that is more compact, but it still has the power of the .45 round."

This is opinion, i wouldve taken the G18 since you like to have your opinion over the M1911. This argument is nullified.

"The colt .45 is still in use on and off the battle field, its simple design and powerful round make it an effective weapon. Its weight would make it an effective gun to pistol whip with. I ask that you vote PRO because the colt .45 is simple and more powerful than a G18."

Sadly, you are wrong. Yes, the M1911 is effective, but as time goes on, it became less and less effective. Eventually it has been replaced by the Beretta 92FS. Now as we all know, the Beretta 92FS is weaker in term of power (your logic anyway) but holds more rounds. Now you see what people truly prefer.
Also, pistol whipping can be useful for a heavy arm, but no one could even whip someone with a pistol in a firefight.
In firefight situation, we all would prefer lighter arms.
I ask you to vote CON as the effectiveness of M1911 has already been outdated. The new generation of guns like Beretta 92SF, Desert Eagle and even the G18 are defeating the M1911.

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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Aaronroy 5 years ago
Aaronroy
Machine pistols and pistols are two different worlds, buddy. "Rapid fire" is too vague. The proper term is selective fire. Rapid fire can be done with any semi-automatic firearm.
Posted by THE_OPINIONATOR 5 years ago
THE_OPINIONATOR
The resolution isnt "Witch service pistol is better" although the M1911 colt .45 is still in non standard use meaning that it is not their main side arm.
Posted by dinokiller 5 years ago
dinokiller
Uhum, machine pistol is a pistol, no matter how you look at it.
Its just a pistol with rapid firing ability.

And dont just call them all rubbish, we are debating whats better here.
Posted by Aaronroy 5 years ago
Aaronroy
Might I add, the Glock 18 aren't in service. The Desert Eagle isn't in service. The Beretta 92fs isn't in service. It's militarized cousin, the M9 service pistol, is in service, albeit it is a rubbish pistol.
Posted by Aaronroy 5 years ago
Aaronroy
"Beretta 92SF, Desert Eagle and even the G18"
How the hell is the 92fs, Desert Eagle and the G18 a new generation of pistols? They're all rubbish.
The 92fs jams like hell if you get even the slightest bit of dirt in it.
The Desert Eagle (in any of its calibers, .357 magnum, .41 magnum, .44 magnum and .50AE) have NO tactical use.
The Glock 18 has NO tactical use, whatsoever. It's not a pistol, it's a machine pistol. Thus, nullifying dinokiller's entire debate trying to justify the Glock 18.

You've all been playing too much Call of Duty. Go out and fire a real firearm for once.
Posted by THE_OPINIONATOR 6 years ago
THE_OPINIONATOR
yes indeed
Posted by dinokiller 6 years ago
dinokiller
Well, then we can be almost sure that the m1911 is one of the best pistol avaible to civilians.
Posted by THE_OPINIONATOR 6 years ago
THE_OPINIONATOR
IDK if u can gt ur hands on one but you must shoot it despite its weight it is one of the best pistols I have shot so far
Posted by dinokiller 6 years ago
dinokiller
Well i never said that people doesnt use it, its just replaced by military operations.
But even so, most guns avaible to civilians cant be compared by the military ones.
Posted by THE_OPINIONATOR 6 years ago
THE_OPINIONATOR
outdated doesnt always mean death the M1911 is still caried in non standard use ans is a very popular gun for recreational shooting
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