The Marxist vision of a communist society is unrealistic and impossible.
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Chaos and a power vacuum. These are just a few reasons why it's unrealistic and impossible.
Since Pro has not defined the terms used in his opening argument, I will take the liberty to define.
Con presents this definition for Marxism and Communist society: Marxism is composed only of explicit statements by Marx himself on his ideal society (as otherwise, we would be left with dozens of various variants and interpretations of "Marxism", ranging from Marx-Leninism to Maoism).
So, what did Marx say about his ideal Communist society? Let us first start by addressing the political system proposed by Marx: something he called the "dictatorship of the proletariat " or as Engels, Marx's partner in the creation of the Communist Manifesto put it, "the working class can only come to power under the form of a democratic republic. This is even the specific form for the dictatorship of the proletariat "
Would Pro, in saying that Marxist society is "without any central authority", mean that a democratic republic has no central authority or means of order? In any case, Marx was a firm proponent of democracy, as he saw it as the best avenue of ensuring the working class had control over their own work and livelihoods. Not to mention that Marx wanted a strong government run by the proletariat that would instate the "extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. ", all of which would require large amounts of central power. Therefore that point is refuted.
Next, let us examine the fiscal policy proposed by Marx, and the claim by Pro that a Marxist society would be money-less. Marx, in his work The Communist Manifesto, rather clearly writes there is to be "centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly ", not complete dissolution of money. Therefore, that point is refuted.
As both of the Pro arguments have been refuted, the resolution "The Marxist vision of a communist society is unrealistic and impossible" is negated.
1. Section B of https://www.marxists.org...
2. A Critique of the Draft Social-Democratic Program of 1891. Marx & Engels Collected Works Volume 27, p. 217. "If one thing is certain it is that our party and the working class can only come to power under the form of a democratic republic. This is even the specific form for the dictatorship of the proletariat"
3,4. Pg. 26 The Communist Manifesto: http://www.marxists.org...
Needless to say, academic Marxism (where interpretations of Marx's works are rigorously standardized) is rather different from your average Communist today, who most likely espouse some variant of Maoism or Marx-Leninism (or even Trotskysm once in a while).
Thanks again for an interesting debate- it was a honor-
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