The Nature of Morality cannot be defined (even to Human Valuing)
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A few definitions to go off of
Nature of Morality: a flawless answer of how we choose right/wrong.
Flawless: no flaws; when I am unable to counter Con's position, his/her answer is flawless
Morality: knowing right from wrong.
1) No insulting, trolling, etc.
2) A forfeit (timing out) will count as a concession in that round.
3) You may quote famous Philosophers that you got your position from. (Example: Protagoras, Human Valuing)
4) How I know about the "Nature of Morality' thing is from a game called "Socrates Jones: Pro Philosopher", so I may quote that, or use it as a reference, often. If the opponent disagrees with this, I won't use it.
5) My goal is to refute Con's argument, as I'm disproving the fact that a flawless source of morality can be found. If BoP falls on me in round 2 by Con's decision, I may do so.
6) Morality does exist, but a flawless answer cannot be defined. Just wanted to make that clear
Round 1: Con will present his source of morality,and his reasoning to do so.
Round 2: If Con wishes me to present why I'm choosing my side, I'll do so. I'll also ask questions if needed.
Round 3 & 4: We argue whether Con's position is faulty or not. If I think I found a flaw, I'll show the flaw. Then Con has to reply to my points
Round 5: I sum up Con's points and the flaws I showed, then I'll try to see if it really is flawless. If it is, I'll concede. If I see yet another problem in his thoughts, I'll present it. If I present the flaw, Con must explain it.
If someone is able to prove a flawless answer, accept this debate. I wish you luck.
A bit extreme, I know. But you can replace Jack with Jill and make Jill's mother cook for the family, or having affairs. It makes no difference. The point is that we learn our morals. Not by what we are told to do, but by watching how adults do things. What we see, becomes right. It doesn't have to be parents. Any role models will do. Uncles, aunts, grandparents, neighbours, even fictional characters from movies and video games. Their actions set the president for what is right and wrong. This information is stored in our subconscious mind and sometimes we are not even aware they are there. This is because we have a second set of values. Ethical values.
Ethical values reside in the conscious mind. These are the rules set by adults, teachers, priests, holy books, imaams, rabbi's and society at large. We automatically adopt these ethical values when we are part of a group, family or society. But we don't always agree with them. As long as our conscious minds are in control, we will follow the ethical standards, but when our subconscious takes control, our true morals come to light. Alcohol is one of the most common causes of loss of consciousness.
We find that people do things they would never do consciously. Things they know are unethical. They don't even know why they did it. Anger is another cause. This is why road rage occurs. I'm sure there are many people who felt the urge to punch someone in the face at one time or another. But its not all gloom and doom. Sometimes a societies ethical values say something is wrong, but our morals say its not. Things such as racism, bigotry, classism and elitism are encouraged in certain communities but an individual could realize that it's wrong.
Neither ethically, nor morally is there a one size fits all definition of good and evil. Ethical values vary from one group to the next and moral values differ from person to person. But the source of our moral values is without a doubt learnt through our childhood experiences. Even if we were too young to remember or comprehend the things we saw, they are recorded in our subconscious and set the tone for what type of adults we will one day become.
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Here's something I thought of: What if a child experiences contradicting moments? Let's say Bill's father plays golf, and takes Bill to his golf games once Bill is 4 years old. After Bill's 7th birthday, the father takes him to go golfing. Bill's father tells him that cheating is bad. But Fred, the father's friend, cheats all the time by tossing his own ball around while the father isn't looking. Bill sees Fred cheat. He sees his father play fair. This is Bill's first time golfing, so he doesn't know whether he should cheat or not. He saw a person cheat, and he saw a person not cheat for 3 years. Is cheating 'moral' for Bill?
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