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Harboggles
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The New US Dollar Coin: A Disgrace to Our Principles?

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Started: 3/23/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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C-Mach

Pro

Yes, the new dollar coin is a disgrace to the very principles that this country was founded on. The reason for this is because it is missing one word, which will be revealed after I say the (legible) words on the new dollar coin:

Obverse: "GEORGE WASHINGTON [Portrait of George Washington;] 1st PRESIDENT 1789-1797"
Reverse: "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA [Portrait of the Statue of Liberty;] $1"
Rim: "2007 D[elaware Mint]. E PLURIBUS UNUM. IN GOD WE TRUST."

What word that is the core principle that our country was founded on, and is found on ALL other US coinage?: LIBERTY! That is an outrage!!!
Harboggles

Con

Somehow, given all the other issues we have in the world atm, this is so minor.

Why don't we analyze why "In god we trust" is on the dollar instead because we are not a Christian Nation.
Debate Round No. 1
C-Mach

Pro

"Somehow, given all the other issues we have in the world a[t ]t[he ]m[oment], this is so minor."

This is interesting. Why does it say THIS on your account if you think "this is so minor?": "I am a firm believer in personal liberty [(Emphasis on 'liberty')]."

Since you are "a firm believer in personal liberty," I am surprised that you think the lack of the word "liberty" on a US coin "is so minor," "given all the other issues we have..." It is symbolic. Omit the word "liberty" on a US coin, when all US coinage has had that word. It reduces the principle of liberty even further than already it has been in favor of safety. After all, Benjamin Franklin said, "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

"Why don't we analyze why 'I[N GOD WE TRUST]' is on [our currency] instead, [as] we are not a Christian [n]ation."

This is not the subject of this debate. Please stay on the subject. However, the "IN GOD WE TRUST" currency and "UNDER GOD" "Pledge" issues are publicly known, but this issue is not.
Harboggles

Con

A missing word on a dollar coin is hardly going to hurt anyone. We break from tradition all the time.

Missing that word doesn't devalue the coin in any way...so there's really no argument to be had...
Debate Round No. 2
C-Mach

Pro

"A missing word on a dollar coin is hardly going to hurt anyone."

You say so now! But seriously, how would you feel if your "firm belie[f] in personal liberty," didn't mean jack, because those freedoms were taken away, and one of the contributing factors to your lack of freedoms, rights, and liberties was indeed a missing word on a coin?

"We break from tradition all the time."

We break from traditions that no longer have a purpose. This is a tradition that is crucial to ensure liberty prevails.

"Missing that word doesn't devalue the coin in any way."

It would not devalue the coin itself, but, as I have mentioned numerous times, it devalues the principle of liberty.
Harboggles

Con

I think theres only a handful of people in the United States that would see this correlation.

Liberty is based upon the laws of the land, not the currency.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Tatarize 9 years ago
Tatarize
9th amendment.
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Posted by sadolite 9 years ago
sadolite
No where in the constitution does it say you have a right to privacy in public. When you use a telephone or the Internet you are entering a public domain. What exactly were you unable to do or achieve based on your right to privacy "being violated"
Posted by Tatarize 9 years ago
Tatarize
Right to privacy.
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Posted by sadolite 9 years ago
sadolite
I should have said name one personal liberty that has been taken away that has prevented you from doing something other than contacting terrorists or conspiring to attack the U.S. or it's interests abroad.
Posted by sadolite 9 years ago
sadolite
mattresses, can you name one personal liberty that has prevented you from doing anything other than contacting terrorists and conspiring to attack the U.S. or it's interests abroad.
Posted by mattresses 9 years ago
mattresses
dude... are you being serious C-Mach? you seem like you're overreacting a bit. i mean the president has been taking away personal liberties, why not just tell the truth?
Posted by sadolite 9 years ago
sadolite
I think arguing against something that will never change is pointless. For example: "In god we trust" will never be removed from our currency.
Posted by Tatarize 9 years ago
Tatarize
You think that arguing against the status quo is always pointless? How odd.
Posted by sadolite 9 years ago
sadolite
I think making an intellectual argument against something that always has been is now and always will be, a pointless waste of time by the individual making the argument.
Posted by Tatarize 9 years ago
Tatarize
Obviously the deluded among the populace have an affect on the populace. Being mostly Christian doesn't make this a Christian nation anymore than this is a white nation or a female nation.

Harboggles is clearly referring to the the constitutional nature of "In God We Trust" in light of the first amendment. He's right. That phrase on our coin is unconstitutional and I very sincerly hope that Newdow v. Lefever (running through the 9th circuit now to strike down IGWT) succeeds.

He's right religious statements on government coins is not an acceptable practice under the first amendment. It doesn't matter if the majority is white, blacks get the rights. It doesn't matter if the majority are female, men get their rights. It doesn't matter if the majority are Christian, non-Christians get their rights.

You are suggesting that might make right and that this is a Christian nation simply due to the majority population, that does not however deny the rights of all the people under the constitution which protects the minority from the unfair practices of the majority.

He's right and you're raising a nonissue.
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