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mongeese
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Danielle
Con (against)
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The Nintendo Wii is the best video game console.

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Started: 5/16/2009 Category: Entertainment
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mongeese

Pro

Nintendo Wii - http://en.wikipedia.org...
Home gaming console - http://en.wikipedia.org...
Best - excelling all others (http://www.merriam-webster.com...)

It is my opinion that the Wii is the best home gaming console. For this debate, my opponent will choose one (1) other home gaming console to be compared to the Wii. From there, we will both present facts about either console, and try to defend or attack the pros and cons of each other's gaming systems.

To start, I will present some of the pros of the Wii:
- Low price: the Wii is one of the more inexpensive game consoles, going for usually $249.99. (http://www.articlesbase.com...)
- Game controls: The Wii Remote (Wiimote) has pointer and motion-sensing functionality, as well as the ability to use a variety of accessories. (http://en.wikipedia.org...)

I await my opponent's responses. Please, no comments with any facts that may help either debater.
Danielle

Con

Introduction:

I agree with my opponent's definitions. I also acknowledge that this is a debate with a resolution that can easily be manipulated by one's opinion. For that reason, I ask that this debate be judged based not on personal preference, but by the arguments made within the rounds. I am not a huge video game player or enthusiast, and as such I much prefer the Playstation 3 over all others based on features like the built in Blu Ray player, etc. However for this debate, I will be arguing that the XBOX 360 is a better home gaming console than the Nintendo Wii.

Re: Pros of the Wii:

1) Low Price -- My opponent asserts that the price of the Wii in comparison to other consoles is a contention that supports the notion that the Wii is better or even the best of all home gaming systems. I disagree. Just because something is less expensive doesn't mean that it's better. In many (but not all) cases, it is the more expensive of two items in comparison that is considered "better" not based on its monetary value alone, but other features that probably cost more money to install or include.

2) Game Controls -- While the Wiimote may be fun because it is motion censored, some players do not appreciate that particular function. For instance, while playing Mario Kart on the Wii, you tilt your body (or just the controller) in order to direct your car in a certain direction. On a system like N64 with a more "standard" controller, an immobile player or one who simply would prefer to use a joystick rather than have every motion hinder their playing experience may be more satisfied.

Pros of the Xbox 360:

1) Price -- Like I said, just because an item is cheaper doesn't necessarily mean that it's "better." Prices for all gaming consoles have dropped, and The Core (now The Arcade) version of Xbox can be bought for $279.99, which is just $30 more expensive than the Nintendo Wii. This system comes with a 256MB memory card, a wireless controller, and some XBLA games on a disc. Certainly these included accessories are worth the extra $30, especially in context of the other superior features that this system offers.

2) Controller -- Many players prefer a more "standard" controller when playing games, especially games that require directional functions (joy sticks) and shooting / war games like Call of Duty where you use various buttons to enhance your experience, i.e. switch guns, use a scope, etc. Many people find the Wiimote frankly too simple and inconvenient.

3) Performance/Graphics -- The Xenos GPU on the XBOX 360 is superior; Xenos simply has more power - higher fillrate, higher pixel processing power, higher vertex processing power, and better memory architecture. If you look at multiplatform games and contrast the graphics on the two consoles, XBOX 360 almost always leads. Whether they use a higher resolution or higher quality antialiasing, games often look better and/or play smoother on the 360 [1]. There is no doubt that the 360 offers better graphics and more realism than the Wii ever could.

4) Games -- Nintendo's games are targeted at a much younger audience. This makes their content rather simple, whereas the market shows that game players enjoy things that are more complex. This is why the PS3 and 360 games which are targeted at teens and young adults - the biggest video game consumers - have excelled in terms of marketability and content. Also, Xbox Live provides an online and interactive gaming experience that cannot be matched by the Nintendo Wii.

4) Advanced Features -- Microsoft pairs the 360 with its plans for Windows Media Center, allowing the 360 to be used as a media extender to stream music and movies from a central Media Center PC. For an additional price, it also offers HD movie playback both with an optional HD-DVD player in an external box, and over the web through its online Xbox Live video store.

Conclusion:

The additional features of the Xbox 360 that the Wii simply does not have most definitely factors into the equation of which system is the "best." It changes the system from being just a video game console to being multi-functional and giving you more options of how to enjoy it. Additionally, the Xbox 360 trumps the Wii in almost all other aspects of game-play. That plus the fact that it offers so much more most definitely makes it the superior system.

Source:

[1] http://www.hardcoreware.net...
Debate Round No. 1
mongeese

Pro

So, it's Nintendo Wii vs. XBOX 360.

1) Low Price -- This is actually a very important point. If one item was slightly better than another item, but cost ten times as much to buy, the previous item would be better due to the consideration of value. Value is an important factor.

"While the Wiimote may be fun because it is motion censored, some players do not appreciate that particular function."
Well, those players need to expand their minds.

"On a system like N64 with a more 'standard' controller, an immobile player or one who simply would prefer to use a joystick rather than have every motion hinder their playing experience may be more satisfied."
Thus, the Wii has a little thing called the GameCube controller.
"The GameCube controller, in both its original wired version and the wireless WaveBird version, is compatible with the Wii." [1]
Yes, many of the best games offer the choice of using a GameCube controller instead. The list on Wikipedia is incomplete [2], but here's a list of games available for the Wii that a player has a CHOICE for what controller to use:
Mario Kart Wii [3]
Super Smash Bros. Brawl [4]
Resident Evil 4 [5]
Sonic Unleashed [6]

Furthermore, you have admitted that most players do enjoy using the Wiimote.

Now, about your price thing.
You forget that the Wii has its own additional accessories [7]:
Nintendo Wii Game Console (oh, yeah!)
one (1) Wii Remote controller with Wii Remote Jacket (valued at $40)
one (1) Nunchuck controller ($20)
Wii Sports ($40 in Japan, where the game was sold separately)
sensor bar
power cord
standard composite cable
stand

So, the Wii comes with $100 of additional stuff. You're going to need to find prices on the bonus XBOX 360 for comparison.

And as for the controller, the Wii can use the Wiimote, Wiimote Nunchuck, GameCube controller (it can be wireless), Nintendo DS (oh, yeah!), or Wii Balance Board. [8] Thus, the Wii has standard and exclusive controllers, which ultimately beat only standard.

Now, most of what you said about performance/graphics is true. However, I have to point out that the XBOX 360's graphics only work really well with HDTV, and without it, there's really not much. Secondly, you say that it has realism. I'd say that swinging a remote as a bat is a lot more realistic than pressing a button, wouldn't you? Additionally, the Wii has Wii Fit [9], which contributes very much to user interaction and realism, as well as general fitness.

And as for your games, you say that the market prefers complex games. Let's look at that, shall we? [10]
The most popular non-handheld games of all time are Wii Sports, Wii Play, and Wii Fit, followed by Nintendo's Super Mario Bros. 3 (available on Virtual Console [14]), and then Mario Kart Wii. Microsoft doesn't have a single game on the list, while the Nintendo has... 17. Yeah, I think the market preferred the Wii.
Let's look at console sales, as well. [11]
Yep, the Wii wins, 50 million to 30 million. The market prefers the Wii. No doubt about it.

For advanced features, you say that they have plans, but they haven't occurred yet, so they can't apply to a debate using the word "is." The Wii has WiiConnect24, backwards compatibility with the GameCube, and, as everybody knows, motion-sensing capabilities and new ways to interact with the game.

Oh, and the Wii also has health benefits. [12] People use the Wii for rehabilitation from injury and disease. This is easily a good thing. Wiimotes can also be used for interactive whiteboards. [13]

In conclusion, the Wii is superior in games, marketing, playability, and price. Thus, the Wii is the superior system.

Source:
1. http://en.wikipedia.org...
2. http://en.wikipedia.org...
3. http://en.wikipedia.org...
4. http://en.wikipedia.org...
5. http://en.wikipedia.org...
6. http://en.wikipedia.org...
7. http://www.amazon.com...
8. http://en.wikipedia.org...
9. http://en.wikipedia.org...
10. http://en.wikipedia.org...
11. http://en.wikipedia.org...(seventh_generation)#Sales_standings
12. http://newswise.com...
13. http://en.wikipedia.org...
14. http://en.wikipedia.org...(North_America)#Nintendo_Entertainment_System
Danielle

Con

Low Price ~ I'm not understanding your argument here, Pro. You said that because of a "value factor," a cheaper system would be better than a more expensive one. I'm assuming that you meant because the cheaper would be a more popular item. However, just because something is more affordable won't necessarily make it more popular. Moreover, you ignored the fact that many times it is indeed the more expensive item that ranks as "better" simply because more money was probably being invested into its development, performance, etc.

Wiimote ~ Saying those players need to "expand their minds" is hardly an argument in your favor. I'll give you that the Wii has various controller use though, but the Xbox's controller is the best in comparison to each of those controllers individually. Plus, the headset for Xbox is very convenient when playing online games like Call of Duty. Bottom line, the Wiimote is a novelty that tends to wear off quickly.

Graphics ~ Saying that Xbox's graphics are superior only while using an HD-TV is completely and utterly false. Nintendo's not known for their graphics. Xbox is. Period. Moreover, I have an Xbox that's not hooked up to an HDTV, and the graphics still reign supreme to my Wii's. You also said, "I'd say that swinging a remote as a bat is a lot more realistic than pressing a button, wouldn't you?" Actually no, I wouldn't. The topic in consideration here is GRAPHIC realism.

The Market ~ I'm not comparing the best selling games of all time (by the way, handheld games WERE included in that list, whereas you said they were not). Nor should I have to say that Wii had 4/10 best selling games of 2008, and Xbox also had 4/10 best selling games of 2008. No, my point here was discussing "the market" in terms of ratings. Xbox outperforms Wii in the ratings and rankings of the video game connoisseurs, and the teens and adults who buy most of the games. Everybody buys the "childish" Wii games; the older crowd also buys the Xbox games that are often more mature in content, i.e. Grand Theft Auto.

Exercise ~ You don't actually have to move while playing the Wii. Sure one actually CAN jump around while playing WiiSports tennis, but one doesn't have to (they can flick their wrist and produce the same effect). Similarly, one CAN move around the room pretending to play Call of Duty or another video game, but they don't have to.

Conclusions:

My opponent says that the Wii is superior in --

GAMES (Fail. Just because games are better selling doesn't mean that they're better. Xbox game consistently get the best rankings and ratings over the Wii.)

MARKETING (Fail. They sell more units. Fine. But again, sales don't determine superiority. There are more Honda's on the road than Bentley's that doesn't make Honda a superior car.)

PLAYABILITY (Fail. This is subjective. Plus, the Wii is found to be preferable among large groups. But how often do you play video games in large groups? Usually it's with a friend or two, or by yourself, which really makes this edge of little to no value.)

PRICE (Fail. See above points regarding affordability and superiority. Plus, The Xbox isn't THAT much more expensive, and includes a plethora of extra features.)

Therefore, I have debunked all of my opponent's arguments. Not to mention he failed to respond of several of my noted Xbox advantages, i.e. better online gaming sessions, etc. I look forward to the final round.
Debate Round No. 2
mongeese

Pro

Low Price ~ My argument is that price is an important factor to consider in selecting a console, and thus should be a large factor. The benefits from more investment is balanced out by the price factor, leaving a somewhat even playing field.

Wiimote ~ You claim that the Xbox's controller is best compared to both the GameCube controller and the Wiimote, but you lack a criteria. Additionally, the Wiimote has its own sound. Besides, on the XBOX Arcade, it isn't even compatible with the headset. The Wiimote is a novelty, but it doesn't just "wear off quickly." The adaptability of the Wiimote to be used as a standard, sideways controller, or a sports motion controller, or just a pointer, or connected to the Nunchuck to give more versatility, or even put into a Wheel or Zapper keeps it from "wearing off." The Wii has the most revolutionary controller of all time.

Graphics ~ Well, yes, but all of that "heavy investment" put into the Xbox's graphics is largely deteriorated by a lack of HD, making the playing field slightly more even than otherwise. Furthermore, you said "Performance/Graphics," so I'd say that the Wii does much better in performance due to the use of the Wiimote as a more realistic indicator of skill and action in whatever game it is you play.

The Market ~ I know that the list included handhelds, and I never said that it didn't. I simply said that if you only looked at console games, the Wii had all of the top 5. If everybody buys the so-called "childish" Wii games, there must be a reason, right? Well, the reason is that the games are great. You admit that everyone buys them, so they obviously agree. Of course the older crowd will buy more mature games, but the point is that M-rated games don't control the market at all. The Wii dominated.

Excercise ~ Ever heard of Wii Fit? The game that helps you lose weight? Yeah, you have to excersice for that. Additionally, swinging your arm is more likely to encourage you to stand up than pressing A+B. You really can't swing your arms around with two arms gripping the controller.

Conclusions:

GAMES (You claim that the Xbox outdoes the Wii consistently. I take it that this means that the top Xbox games are supposedly better than the top Wii games. Well, do you have any sources? Otherwise, I will dismiss this point as wishful wishing.)

MARKETING (The Wii sells more units. The Wii sells more games. I'd say that this is at least a reflection of how much people like the game. If more people buy Honda's, that's a pretty good indicator that Honda is doing something better than the Bentley's, whether it be pricing or advertising.)

PLAYABiLITY (It isn't entirely subjective; the N64 controller was obviously surpassed by the GameCube. The 360 controller was obviously surpassed by the Wiimote. Additionally, your only point here is about large groups, and there are plenty of great games that can be played with one player, including Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Super Mario Galaxy, Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Sonic Unleashed, Super Paper Mario, Metroid Prime: Corruption, and Mario Kart Wii. [3])

PRICE (Plethora of extra features? Explain. Besides, you never countered my point about the free stuff with the Wii, so the Wii is actually about $100 less than the 360, which is alot in these times.)

"Therefore, I have debunked all of my opponent's arguments."
Debunked? More like either ignored, twisted, or commented on.

"Not to mention he failed to respond of several of my noted Xbox advantages, i.e. better online gaming sessions, etc."
The Wii's lower price offsets most of this. WiiConnect24 is free. XBOX Live is not.

"I look forward to the final round."
You mean, penultimate round. Now you can look forwards to the final round. I am, too.

1. http://en.wikipedia.org...
2. http://en.wikipedia.org...
3. http://en.wikipedia.org...
Danielle

Con

PRICE:

My opponent consistently mentions that the price is important when comparing these two items; I argue that it is not. If the resolution had to do with the VALUE of the game (i.e. the better game for your money), then perhaps his contention regarding the matter would apply. However, as I pointed out, it is not always the most affordable that is the "better" item due to various factors, i.e. production. To use a previous example, there may be more Hondas on the road than Bentleys, but that doesn't make Honda the better car simply because it's more affordable and more people own one. Plus, if my opponent knew anything about economics, he would understand that it's the MARKET which determines the value. Something's worth (how much people can charge for it) is all dependent on how much money people are willing to SPEND on it. Therefore, if the Xbox is more expensive, it's because (1) It is made with superior products, technology and components (2) It is "worth" more according to consumers.

CONTROLLER:

I have already admitted that the Wii's controller is more versatile than the Xbox's in terms of transformation. However, the Xbox controller is more functional, and gamers all agree that the Wiimote frequently lags behind -- at least way more than the 360 controller. Plus, my opponent failed to address my argument that the Xbox controller is better in comparison to the various ways in which you can use the Wii's individually. He has said that my argument lacks criteria, but I have provided my criteria: The Wiimote lags, the Xbox controller is consistently voted the best and most favorable among the people who play games [1], "The Xbox 360 Controller is arguably the best controller among console systems right now" according to Xbox360controller.com (says so right on the home page), and let's not forget that a 360 "controller" refers to anything used to control/play games on the system. If my opponent wants to bring up the multi-functional ways of using the Wii controller, then I must also acknowledge that the 360 has a dance pad, flight stick, guitar, steering wheel, etc. which provide a superior and more realistic gaming experience than the Wiimote.

PERFORMANCE / GRAPHICS:

Pro notes that, "the use of the Wiimote as a more realistic indicator of skill and action in whatever game it is you play" which I think everyone can agree is a gross exaggeration and blatant lie. For instance, I have only been bowling a handful of times in my entire life (and the last time was very long ago); however, I consistently throw strikes when playing Wii bowling. In fact, most of the time I barely have to even move -- I can do it right from the couch. Further, I have never played tennis and yet I can beat my brother at Wii tennis while he has played the actual game many times.

As far as the system's actual performance, the 360 has consistently been voted the best, with a close second (graphics wise as well) always being attributed to Sony's Playstation 3. The Wii is known for a plethora of other features; however, realism and graphics has never been Nintendo's forte and it's not what is used to sell the product. Like I said, the Wii has other advantages such as being the best system to play in a group setting. It's abundance of games targeted at a younger audience makes it a family favorite, but for hardcore gamers who prefer realism, graphics and performance, the 360 outdoes the Wii by far. This can be noted by the various awards the 360 has won for its superior graphics, and the best games as voted on by fans and professionals alike in terms of realism all dub the 360 games superior [2].

THE MARKET:

Just to clear something up, Pro said "I know that the list included handhelds, and I never said that it didn't" ... but in R2, he explicitly states, "The most popular NON-HANDHELD games of all time are Wii Sports, Wii Play, and Wii Fit..." and proceeds to provide a link that *does* include hand-held games. He then mentioned how 17 games on that list (which DOES include hand-helds) were from Nintendo while none from the 360 existed. Hmm. Now, I don't mind, as it was only a slight error, but don't call me a liar, Pro : )

Now, in terms of marketing Pro says, "The Wii sells more units. The Wii sells more games. I'd say that this is at least a reflection of how much people like the game. If more people buy Honda's, that's a pretty good indicator that Honda is doing something better than the Bentley's, whether it be pricing or advertising." Well, I already explained how just because something might be more popular in terms of sales, doesn't necessarily make it the better product. My opponent cannot expect me to take him seriously when he says that a Honda is a better car than a Bentley, can he? Hondas are more affordable and thus sell more units, similar to why the Wii sells more units despite the superiority of the Bentley. Moreover, my opponent did not respond to my entire argument addressing the fact that hardcore game owners probably own both the Wii AND the 360, whereas your average gamer may only have one system and that is probably the Wii (parents buy the system for their young children, etc.).

Finally, my opponent has yet to address my argument regarding the market and how it determines prices (Economics 101).

PLAYABILITY:

My opponent's argument is entirely hypocritical. He says, "It isn't entirely subjective; the N64 controller was obviously surpassed by the GameCube. The 360 controller was obviously surpassed by the Wiimote." However, without any factual evidence to support it as such (or even any strong arguments), this is entirely his opinion and therefore not an "obvious" thing -- it's SUBJECTIVE. Further, we have already addressed the issues of controllers in the section about CONTROLLERS, and I have explained why the 360 controller(s) reign supreme. What does this have to do with playability, anyway?

CONCLUSIONS:

Con - "Therefore, I have debunked all of my opponent's arguments."
PRO - "Debunked? More like either ignored, twisted, or commented on."
CON - I could say the same about Pro's. And I think I have proven his assertion incorrect.

Finally, Pro says that the Wii's lower price offsets the fact that the 360 has superior online gaming sessions. I have explained a multitude of times why price cannot be considered a major factor in determining why something is or isn't "better." So yeah. I HAVE debunked all of his arguments.

SOURCES:
[1] http://www.gamespot.com...
[2] http://uk.bestof.ign.com...
Debate Round No. 3
mongeese

Pro

PRICE:
You're forgetting the third possibility:
(3) The producers over-invested in their product, and they realized that they would have to increase the price to make any profit.
Anyways, when a man who can barely afford a game system is wondering which console is the best for him, he would lean towards the one with the cheaper price. Thus, the cheaper console is better for him. When a middle-class man makes the same decision, he'd still prefer to save a hundred bucks or so, so the cheaper console would be better for him, too. When we get up to the rich people, the price doesn't have too much of an impact on any decisions, but the price is still a factor. Thus, the cheaper console is better for pretty much everybody, if only price is considered, and the other factors all remain constant. Therefore, if the cheaper console is usually better for the consumers, and the point of a game is to be good for consumers, price is a very large factor in determining the best console, as the consumers are the ones who really care about the answer.

CONTROLLER:
"[G]amers all agree that the Wiimote frequently lags behind -- at least way more than the 360 controller."
Gamer - a person who regularly plays computer or video games (http://www.merriam-webster.com...)
That definition would include me, as I regularly play video games, and just played Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess for two hours straight. And I don't agree. Therefore, this statement is null and void.
Your quote says that the 360 controller is "arguably" the best. Well, we're arguing over it.
The Wii can also use a dance pad, flight stick, guitar, and steering wheel. However, it can also be used as a sword, a tennis racket, a fist, a gun, etc. Again, you give no reason why the 360's accessories are "superior and more realistic" to a Wiimote's. It takes about a day to get used to the Wiimote, and after that, it's great.

PERFORMANCE / GRAPHICS:
I'd still say that swinging your arm is more realistic of an indicator of tennis skill than pressing "A." It's naturally not a perfect indicator, but it's obviously better than using a normal controller.
And as far as graphics, yes, that was one of the strong points of the 360, although a lack of HD kinds of hurts it. Your source doesn't specifically talk about realism, however. And yes, the Wii has greater family games, which is one of its strong points.

THE MARKET:
I never said that the list had only console games. I said that the Wii had the best-selling console games. If you ignored all hand-held games from the list I cited, then it would be clear. That's why I specified that I was comparing console games only.
I then said that Microsoft owned none of the top 20 games, while Nintendo had 17. This is separate from the previous contention, as I now include handheld games.
"Well, I already explained how just because something might be more popular in terms of sales, doesn't necessarily make it the better product."
It makes it a better product for consumers, and seeing as consumers are the ones who review the games, price does indeed matter.
"Finally, my opponent has yet to address my argument regarding the market and how it determines prices (Economics 101)."
You know, you seem to be doing this frequently. You never brought up the Economics thing until Round 3. I'd only be able to respond between the contention and this statement if I was Harry Potter, Special Agent McGee, Link, God, or Phil.

PLAYABILITY:
At the time, my assertion was as backed up as your statement. Plus, playability is directly linked to controllers.

Anyways, I now wish to present a new argument for this last round.

If you look at the list of top games, rated by IGN [1], you'll notice that Nintendo dominates. Furthermore, many games on the list are available to the Wii:
1. Super Mario Bros. (Virtual Console)
2. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (Virtual Console OR GameCube backwards compatibility)
5. Super Mario 64 (Virtual Console)
10. Super Metroid (Virtual Console)
11. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (Virtual Console)
23. Super Mario Bros. 3 (Virtual Console)
32. Resident Evil 4 (GameCube)
46. Super Mario World (Virtual Console)
52. Metroid Prime (GameCube)
58. Super Smash Bros. Melee (GameCube)
97. F-Zero (Virtual Console)

Also, if you look at Screw Attack's list [2], you'll see a similar pattern:
1. Super Mario World (VC)
2. LoZ: Ocarina of Time (VG, GC)
4. Super Mario Bros. 3 (VC)
5. Super Mario Bros. (VC)
6. LoZ: A Link to the Past (VC)
8. Super Smash Bros. Melee (GC)
9. Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Wii)
13. Super Mario Galaxy (Wii)
...And so on. I don't feel like typing this list much longer.

So, the point it, the Wii completely dominates in having the greatest video games ever.

Now, here are my contentions that have been dropped by my opponent:
1. "[M]ost players do enjoy using the Wiimote."
2. "The Wii has Wii Fit, which contributes very much to user interaction and realism, as well as general fitness."3.
3. "Oh, and the Wii also has health benefits. People use the Wii for rehabilitation from injury and disease. This is easily a good thing. Wiimotes can also be used for interactive whiteboards."
4. "Additionally, swinging your arm is more likely to encourage you to stand up than pressing A+B. You really can't swing your arms around with two arms gripping the controller."
5. "The Wiimote is a novelty, but it doesn't just 'wear off quickly.'"
6. "Additionally, your only point here is about large groups, and there are plenty of great games that can be played with one player, including Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Super Mario Galaxy, Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Sonic Unleashed, Super Paper Mario, Metroid Prime: Corruption, and Mario Kart Wii."

In conclusion, while the Wii may lag behind in graphics, it comes strong in its revolutionary, versatile controller, access to the greatest games of all time, exercise, and the ability to help people with rehabilitation and/or a whiteboard, in addition to a cheaper price, and total world domination in the market, the Wii dominates over the 360.

1. http://top100.ign.com...
2. http://www.screwattack.com...

Thank you for this debate.
Danielle

Con

PRICE:

The producers of the 360 did not, in fact, over-invest in their product. They have profited a great deal, making this notion completely out of the blue and completely without any substance. Moreover, "Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft will try every trick in the book in order to maximize sales. One of the best weapons Microsoft has is its price point; after the September price drop, the least expensive 360 model is selling for $200, which is $50 less than even the Wii. While the Arcade unit doesn't come with a hard drive, Microsoft is seeking to fix that: the company has launched a promotion giving Arcade users the choice of a free 512MB memory card or a $20 refurbished 20GB hard drive" [1]

In other words, Pro's entire argument is officially NEGATED. He has said, "Thus, the cheaper console is better for pretty much everybody." In addition to having proven this faulty logic untrue SEVERAL times throughout this debate (again, note the Honda and Bentley analogy), I have still managed to debunk this argument of my opponent's by using his own logic and reasoning against him: He says that the cheaper system is the better system, and I have proven that the 360 is actually LESS expensive than the Wii. [Point: Con]

CONTROLLER:

I said that gamers (those who play video games regularly) have come to the consensus that the Wiimote tends to lag behind. My opponent says that as a gamer, he disagreed, therefore making my statement null and void. Unfortunately for him, that is not the way debate works and the proper or effective way to negate an argument (using statistics and other facts rather than a biased opinion). Additionally, my opponent continued to site the various uses for the Wiimote, which is not enough to disprove any of my counters since I have already addressed the issue of variety and proven that the 360 has just as many functional controllers as the Wii. [Point: Con]

PERFORMANCE/GRAPHICS:

"I'd still say that swinging your arm is more realistic of an indicator of tennis skill than pressing "A." It's naturally not a perfect indicator, but it's obviously better than using a normal controller." -- Pro

Again, this is based on my opponent's opinion with very little basis to back it up. Why? I have already explained in previous rounds that one can just as easily move around with a wireless 360 controller as they can with the Wiimote. Additionally, a system's "realism" generally refers to its graphics. My opponent concedes that the 360 is known to have far superior graphics than the Wii. [Point: Con]

THE MARKET:

Once again, Pro has completely ignored the fact that PRICE DOES NOT DETERMINE WHICH SYSTEM IS BETTER. Even using his own arguments, Pro says that, "It makes it a better product for consumers, and seeing as consumers are the ones who review the games, price does indeed matter." The problem here is that consumers are not the only ones who review games. There are professionals whose jobs literally revolve around judging and rating games; not consumers. Moreover, my opponent still ignored my argument regarding the market determining the value of a particular item. See, I had thought that this was basic knowledge and therefore automatically understood by Pro. It wasn't until later on that I realized he did not grasp basic concepts of Economics. I apologize. However even after detailing my logic in R3, my opponent chose not to address it in R4, therefore conceding the point to me. This is especially valid as my opponent chose to bring up an entire new argument during this last and final round (see: next contention) -- [Point: Con]

PLAYABILITY:

Pro chooses to introduce an entire new argument during this fourth and final round by providing lists of the Greatest Video Games of All Time. Now, just because Nintendo dominates the list doesn't mean that the Wii itself does, and it is the WII - not Nintendo - that is up for discussion in this debate. In fact, the majority of those games mentioned all pre-date the Wii, and many of them are specifically designed for arcade systems anyway. [Point: Neutral]

SO-CALLED DROPPED ARGUMENTS:

1. Most players enjoy using the Wiimote.

--> This is an opinion with no evidence to support it.

2/3. The Wii has Wii Fit, which contributes very much to user interaction and realism, as well as general fitness. Oh, and the Wii also has health benefits. People use the Wii for rehabilitation from injury and disease.

--> I've explained how the term realism generally applies to graphics, which Pro acknowledges are better on the 360. Additionally, the Xbox has other games (i.e. ones that require use of Dance Pads) which also encourage interaction and body movement, and generally promotes overall fitness and well-being. Finally, what Pro failed to mention are the various INJURIES that can be sustained from using the Wii (hence the warnings). This can off-set the positive effects. So, in conclusion, both systems offer games with health benefits and yet only the Wii has been known to cause damage or injury. It would seem to me, then, that the 360 wins this category as well (in terms of safety and well-being).

4. Additionally, swinging your arm is more likely to encourage you to stand up than pressing A+B. You really can't swing your arms around with two arms gripping the controller.

--> Just because you swing your arms while playing a game or two doesn't make the entire system better or more valuable. Thus, I ignored this point probably because it offered absolutely little to no value in regard's to my opponent's position in the debate.

5. The Wiimote is a novelty, but it doesn't just 'wear off quickly.

--> This is an opinion, and I have addressed it.

6. Additionally, your only point here is about large groups.

--> Huh? I said that the Wii is preferable while playing in large groups, yes. What's Pro's point? Listing the fact that there are many 1 on 1 games you can play on the Wii is entirely irrelevant, since there are just as many 1 on 1 games that you can play on the 360.

RE-CAP:

-- The 360 is cheaper and is therefore more widely accessible, which Pro deems highly important as he has repeated this concept consistently throughout the entire debate.

-- The 360 consistently achieves higher performance ratings than the Wii from gamers and esteemed critics alike.

-- The 360 has been voted the "best controller" and I have linked the source proving so in previous rounds. Plus, while the Wiimote is versatile, I have proven that the Xbox comes with just as many functional controllers.

-- The 360 has better graphics, and my opponent concedes to this widely known fact.

-- The 360 has just as many "Best Games" on the Best Game's top 10 list than the Wii, as I have also indicated in earlier rounds.

CONCLUSION:

Given the fact that I have proven the 360 reigns superior using a plethora of statistics (market sales, etc.) and facts (testimonials from an impartial group of multitude gamers, instead of my opponent's sole biased opinion) along with the fact that I have argued against all of my opponent's claims, and he hasn't successfully negated mine, I encourage a vote for the Con. Thank you.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by GDTSP 4 years ago
GDTSP
Mass effect 3
Journey
The darkness ii
Catherine
I am alive
Dragons dogma
Max Payne 3
New star soccer
The walking dead
Thomas is alone
Lego batman 2 dc superheroes
Analogue a hate story
Kid Icarus uprising
Binary domain
Trials evolution
Resonance
Darksiders ii
Sleeping dogs
Sound shapes
Guild wars 2

This is the telegraphs top 20 of 2012. How many wii games are on this list? All none of them.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk...
Posted by mongeese 6 years ago
mongeese
For one, there were so many factors besides game rankings. For another, she never actually sourced any credible game ranking sites at all, which is rather imperative to a good argument.
Posted by toxicmaniac 6 years ago
toxicmaniac
I gotta say that theLwerd won this easily due for mongeese ignorance. Mongeese blindly said that the wii has the best games while metacritic only counts 11 aaa games for wii compared to 360's 34 aaa games.

360's top 3 games:
gta 4 (98%)
Bioshock (96%)
The orange box (96%)

Wii's top 3 games:
Super mario galaxy (97%)
Super mario galaxy 2 (97%)
Twlight princess (95%)

http://www.metacritic.com...

http://www.metacritic.com...
Posted by mongeese 7 years ago
mongeese
You didn't ask me. You asked mongoose.

Anyways, theLwerd didn't even source any game rankings or ratings, so...
Posted by Kefka 7 years ago
Kefka
I saw this as an interesting debate to look at, as I asked Mongeese in a forum why he thinks Wii is the best. So far, I haven't seen a really good argument by either Con/Pro, besides a few good comebacks.

Though, I'm interested by this.

"GAMES (Fail. Just because games are better selling doesn't mean that they're better. Xbox game consistently get the best rankings and ratings over the Wii.)""
Posted by mongeese 7 years ago
mongeese
I still haven't seen anyone manage a justification for a CON vote.
Posted by Maikuru 7 years ago
Maikuru
I love the Wii and play it daily, but even I recognize the 360 as the superior system. The Wii is a fun novelty and great for groups, but it simply can't compare in terms of games and capabilities.
Posted by mongeese 7 years ago
mongeese
"Mad World and No more heroes may be the only good games on the 'revolutionary' system many call the Wii."
You ignore Wii Sports, Twilight Princess, Sonic Unleashed, Mario Kart Wii, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Super Mario Galaxy, and Super Paper Mario.
Posted by Kefka 7 years ago
Kefka
Console does not matter, it is the games on the systems, which with most, are available on ps3/360. While Wii, is the premier in only 1st party developers, and receives terrible ports from 3rd party developers. Mad World and No more heroes may be the only good games on the 'revolutionary' system many call the Wii.
Posted by Kefka 7 years ago
Kefka
Wikipedia was used as a reference: Immediate death must follow. :P Just kidding. Since moderators have become more frequent on the site, it's accuracy has been stable.
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