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The Noah's Ark Story is False

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Started: 3/20/2015 Category: Religion
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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AtheistPerson

Pro

Round 1 is an acceptance round.

The opponent will prove Noah's Ark story to be true.
Bible2000

Con

I accept to prove that Noah's Ark Story was possible and that there is evidence that this flood did, indeed, occur.
Debate Round No. 1
AtheistPerson

Pro

AtheistPerson forfeited this round.
Bible2000

Con

The Floodwaters

According to Genesis 7:19, the Flood was so overwhelming that it that, "all the tall mountains that were under the whole heavens came to be covered". Where did all this water come from? Genesis 1:6-8 explains that on the second "day", Jehovah made an expanse about the Earth. This expanse formed a division between the waters below and the waters above. Those waters above the expanse apparently stayed there from the second "day" of creation until the Flood.

If the Flood covered all the tall mountains, where is all the water now? Apparently right here, on Earth. River channels extending far out under the oceans suggest a time when the oceans were smaller and the continents larger than they are now. Also, note that scientists have stated mountains in the past were much lower than in the present, and some have even been pushed up from under the seas. It is said that, "there is ten times as much water by volume in the ocean as there is land above sea level. Dump all this land evenly into the sea, and water would cover the entire earth, one and one-half miles deep.” (National Geographic, January 1945, p. 105). Thus, after the waters fell, but before the rising of mountains and lowering of seabeds and build up of polar ice caps, there was more than sufficient water to cover "all the tall mountains".

Such a cataclysmic Flood which washed the whole world of that time would never be forgotten by the survivor. They would talk about it to their children, and their children's children. The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia says,

"Flood stories have been discovered among nearly all nations and tribes. Though most common on the Asian mainland and the islands immediately south of it and on the North American continent, they have been found on all the continents. Totals of the number of stories known run as high as about 270 . . . The universality of the flood accounts is usually taken as evidence for the universal destruction of humanity by a flood and the spread of the human race from one locale and even from one family. Though the traditions may not all refer to the same flood, apparently the vast majority do. The assertion that many of these flood stories came from contacts with missionaries will not stand up because most of them were gathered by anthropologists not interested in vindicating the Bible, and they are filled with fanciful and pagan elements evidently the result of transmission for extended periods of time in a pagan society. Moreover, some of the ancient accounts were written by people very much in opposition to the Hebrew-Christian tradition."

The Ark

The passenger list of the Ark is quite grand. In addition to Noah, his wife, his three sons, and their wives, all animals
according to their kinds (two of each animal kind that is not clean, and seven of each clean animal kind) were taken aboard. There would also have to be a great quantity and variety of food to last for more that a year for the animals.

A "kind" is a limit set by the creator, within which boundaries animals are able to breed "according to their kinds". Considering this, some have estimated that as few as 43 “kinds” of mammals, 74 “kinds” of birds, and 10 “kinds” of reptiles in the ark were all that was required to produce the variety of species known today. Others have been more liberal and estimated that 72 “kinds” of quadrupeds and less than 200 bird “kinds” were all that were needed.

These estimates may seem too restrictive to some. considering the millions of species in the world now. However, more than half of these species are insects, about 10,000 species are birds, about 15,000 species are reptiles and amphibians (many of which could survive outside the ark), and about 5,000 mammal species (approximately 290 of these species are bigger than sheep and over 1,300 are smaller than rats) including the mammals that could have remained outside the ark. Before the flood, it is logical to come to the conclusion that these numbers were smaller, considering new species are known to form in a matter of years and even days due to animals adapting to their environment and occasional mutations. Would these fewer amount of species, which I remind you most were smaller than a rat and could survive outside of the flood, have fit in the Ark? Easily, considering its colossal size:

[BEGINNING OF QUOTE]The total available floor space on the Ark would have been over 100,000 square feet, which would be more floor space than in 20 standard-sized basketball courts. The total cubic volume would have been 1,518,000 cubic feet [462,686.4 cubic meters] --that would be equal to the capacity of 569 modern railroad stock cars.[END OF QUOTE] (Source: http://www.christiananswers.net...)

Conclusion

Noah's Ark Story was possible, and evidence suggest this global flood did, indeed, occur. Thank you.

Debate Round No. 2
AtheistPerson

Pro

AtheistPerson forfeited this round.
Bible2000

Con

AtheistPerson, if you want to do this debate again, make it five rounds and do so when you actually have time to debate. Thank you.

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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Bible2000 2 years ago
Bible2000
No, that's ok. I can make my arguments and you counter them.
Posted by AtheistPerson 2 years ago
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Crap I've been busy. I am sorry
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