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WheezySquash8
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The Notorious B.I.G ruined HIp Hop/ Rap

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WheezySquash8
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/5/2013 Category: Music
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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abeoma

Pro

The Notorious B.I.G. ruined rap, and took away the luster rap had. He was the dominant force in the rap game, and his influence is seen today in almost every single recording artist. The subject content in his music set the tone for future generations.
WheezySquash8

Con

-Introduction-

Notorious B.I.G during his time period was known for his rhyming excellence, feud with Tupac, and his storytelling skills. I will be debating with you on whether Notorious B.I.G ruined rap, or not. I will be against your opinion that Notorious B.I.G ruined rap. Before I begin, I would like to tell you the things that I realized about what you posted in round one. I am not intended to offend you.

1. When you say, "Notorious B.I.G ruined rap," you did not support you opinion. When you state your opinion, even if it's the first round, you need to support it. You did not give enough evidence, and if you want to use only simple sentences like that without explaining why, you need to cite your sources. It is so important that 8th graders learn it.

2. You are not to use opinions too much in a debate. You stated five opinions in those three sentences. I would not advise you to do that.

Sources: http://www.ehow.com...

-Biggie's Backgound-

Biggie once said in his song "The What", "Everything you get, you gotta work hard for it". This quote, is one of the minor examples that shows that Biggie acknowledges his background, and knows what it is like to be depressed, or to be struggling. If you listen to some of his lyrics such as in Juicy when he says, "And all the ****** in the struggle.
You know what I'm saying," he is talking about is trying to bring up people's spirits, and guide them through rough times. He was born and raised in a poor, New York neighborhood full of drug addicts, and drug dealers. As Biggie grew up, he did not have anybody to be his role model, but his mom who at the time was struggling economically, and financially. When he later got his rapping career, he took this as an opportunity to help people having the same struggle that he had as a child. Many people think that he only talked about getting money, getting drugs, and getting the girls. This however is wrong. Some of Biggie's songs such as Juicy were about Biggie's struggles. They were created to help people. Listen to Biggie's song "Juicy", and you will see. Biggie is not the only rapper to talk about drugs, and getting money too. Tupac talks about it too. This can be proved in Tupac's "How Do You Want It" when he says,"Puff some more weed, funk, you don't need." Biggie was not the only rapper to talk about drugs at the time. There have been many other rappers that discuss content like that.

Sources: http://www.azlyrics.com...

http://www.biography.com...

http://rapgenius.com...

-Sales-

When you say that Biggie took away the "Luster" that rap had, he did not. Luster means glory. Both Biggie, and Tupac gave rap more attention rather than less. Record sales show that at the time, Biggie's records were selling tremendously. He has sold more than 17 million albums in the U.S. So, rather than taking away rap's luster, he actually brought up its luster. He, and Tupac's feud, and songs made rap become more popular for upcoming rappers such as Eminem, Nas, Jay Z, etc. The rappers that are from the east coast now have gotten positive feedback rather than negative. Some such as Jay Z have sold 50 million records worldwide. The two rappers brought the attention, and glory to rap rather than taking it away. He actually helped Eminem a tad bit. Watch the second video.

Sources: http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://en.wikipedia.org....
http://answers.yahoo.com...

-Conclusion-

In summary, Biggie was not the negative force on rap. Statistics have shown that he actually helped rap along with Tupac. The two gave rap an uplift as some might say. I wish you luck in stating you stand.

Good Luck,

Jordan
Debate Round No. 1
abeoma

Pro

abeoma forfeited this round.
WheezySquash8

Con

-Introduction-

So...pro decides to ditch the argument just like people in the majority of my other debates did. Why can't you continue debating with me? So many people do not respond to their challenge, and give up. I don't get why one would do that. You had over 3 days to respond. There should've been no excuse to not at least forfeiting earlier instead of making me wait. If you start a debate, you Noam Chomsky once said, "The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum." Even if you feel like you'd lose, you should at least try to fight back. In real life, you'd fight back if you were hit by a strong force so why not here? It doesn't make sense. Well, anyways, lets begin round two. I hope that you will be polite enough next time to respond earlier, or post an argument.

Sources: http://www.goodreads.com...

-Never Giving Up-

When people say that Biggie was "The Savior of The East Coast", they mean it. During Biggie's time, many New York rappers weren't selling well due to the west coast's success. Later, when Biggie rose to popularity by never giving up, his popularity led to him having anxiety. He feared that after the success of his "Ready To Die" album, that somebody would want to hurt him. Nevertheless, he continued to release his albums to compete in the rap game. Biggie's ideology to never give up no matter how many hardships he had to overcome is something that many take example from now. Many rappers came to success by overcoming hardships just like Biggie did. For example, Eminem had to overcome the speculations that he was a homophobe, and the racism that was directed towards him because he was white. Many rappers that are famous, or rich having taken examples from Biggie's ability to never give up. Even if you still think that Biggie was bad for rap, you have to realize that he gave rappers a major inspiration along with Tupac.

Sources: http://www.biography.com...
http://en.wikipedia.org....

-Lacking Evidence-

Big said in one of his interviews (second video), "Get to know a person before you judge a person." Pro, you lack evidence that Biggie ruined rap. What you stated in round one is merely opinion, and does not prove anything. You also did not cite your sources. You could've had the chance to show evidence in round two, but instead, you decided not to do anything. If you wanted to prove anything, you could've used videos too. Because you didn't do the second round, I kept on needing to refer back to your first argument that only has mere opinion. Next time, don't use opinion only in a debate.

Sources: http://www.urbandictionary.com...

-Outro-

So in summary, Biggie's rise to fame, and ability to overcome his anxiety, shyness, and alter ego has been taken as an example from numerous rappers now. Biggie's kindness towards Tupac even after being dissed in Tupac's "Hit Em Up" (video 4) shows that Biggie wanted to simply entertain his audience instead of causing drama. Tupac, and Biggie will be always been taken as legends in rap, and their legacy will live on for future generations of rap.

Sources: http://en.wikipedia.org...'Em_Up
http://topinfopost.com...
Debate Round No. 2
abeoma

Pro

abeoma forfeited this round.
WheezySquash8

Con

Thanks a lot.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Blade-of-Truth 3 years ago
Blade-of-Truth
I'm glad you won 20 - 0, whoever thought this about Biggie is tripping.
Posted by LAQUAINE 3 years ago
LAQUAINE
I can't argue against you on this one. Notorious B.I.G. First of all he lost just on the name. I mean it doesn't get much whiter.
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Vote Placed by briantheliberal 3 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Con's arguments were the only arguments in the entire debate, as well as the most convincing and better constructed. I gave conduct to Con, because Pro forfeited multiple times throughout the debate, this shows a lack of respect and dedication on his behalf which is not very good conduct at all. Con's sourcing was outstanding and plentiful. Overall, Con has better arguments, better conduct and better sourcing.
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