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The Number Zero is the Most Dangerous Threat to the Numbers World

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Started: 9/5/2014 Category: Funny
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Round one acceptance.
This is zero:

It is the number you get when you subtract a number by itself, any real number.


My thanks to 9spaceking for this pivotal debate topic regarding this immanent threat to the numbers world!

However, the dangerous (dare I say dire) threat to the world of numbers is not from zero. Zero is like a thug with a pocket knife in comparison to the thermonuclear super power rogue state known as INFINITY -> Incalculable Numerical Felling (of) Indeterminable Natural Integers - Terminally. Yo!

Where their symbol of terror appear all numbers should fear!

I invite 9spaceking to make his opening arguments.
Debate Round No. 1


Good choice, but not good enough.

By 9spaceking
A long time ago, there were The Zero Wars. The Zeroes were practically unstoppable. At first there were only a few handful of zeroes. But soon eough, the zeroes gathered in power and teamed up with multiplication to spread their terror. And boy did they spread, the spread like viruses, damaging the positive and negative alike, turning them into mindless drones of zeroes.; alt="" />

The zeroes grew in power so much that they elected the great king known as The Zero King. The Zero King was a mighty king, strategically putting the zeroes in our most secretive and powerful military base areas, slowly converting the whole government into nothing but zeroes. Our citizens panicked, but we were sure we could handle the Terrible Zeroes. We send in divisional-sign troops to hope to blow a gigantic ERROR hole in the system or create the legendary infinity. Unfortunately the zeroes were prepared. They bribed a few complex mathematical theorem spells so that we could only create infinities, and what were the use of them? Although uber powerful and unstoppable when faced with roots, log's, and negative numbers, against the mighty zeroes even the Infinity stood no chance. They simply disappeared into thin air. The equation still stands to today...
Zero times infinity equals...

From: As we send more troops in to kamakize, it did not work out very well. The zeroes still spread like bullet heaven while our troops were disappearing one by one. And so we tried stopping them with their same crew--the complex numbers. We knew they could build complex three-dimensional cubes, so we hired those complex numbers to sneak into Zero territory to build giant cubes to keep them in. And at first it worked. Zero times cube is not zero. Cube is not a number, it is a shape, it is from another world. We thought for sure they were done for. Unfortunately the Zero King sought faraway technology too. He sought far and wide and found a mysterious wizard, one who knew the far future, and he told him the great secrets of the fourth dimension. And so, he told his inventors to build great fourth-dimensional staircases that managed to warp around and go through the cube, enabling all those Zeroes to escape.
Ah, it was a great loss for us. We could not stop them. We were forced to go into exile and hiding, and zeroes ruled over, and they still ruled over now. We are lucky to survive.


My thanks to 9spaceking for an... interesting argument. It is truly an amazing piece of fiction. One obviously written by the loser to make it look like they were the victors.

My argument is based on the ancient numerical codex known as "Math" which while written in strange script details the inevitable doom of any opponent of the great INIFINTIY.

It first detailed the arrival of the strange number 0.

Originally numbers were different living is peaceful co-existence with one another and did not look like they did now. They shared their existence with the alphabet using native letters like I, V, X, L, C, & M.

Zero didn't exist as we know it today. It used to go by the name Omicron and had a rather pedestrian value of seventy. [1]

It used to be rounder and fuller. Then one day it grew in hatred of other numbers and grew skinnier and more menacing. Soon its hatred of other numbers wouldn't let it interact with other number and when it would be added or subtracted nothing would happen. This changed all of numbers forever. Out of fear, the numbers separated themselves from the letters in vain hope that zero would not follow. However, zero followed the others to these strange new symbols becoming of one of the only ten numerical symbols. Even worse, zero could hide in other numbers like 10 or 402.

Ultimately this resulted in zero eventually releasing its ultimate plan of destruction on other numbers the 'x' attack. This could destroy any other number reducing it to merely another 0. The other numbers realized that something had to be done about zero. So one day the number 1 jumped onto zero attacking and thereby summoning the attention of the great and powerful Infinity as was so recorded:

Once INFINITY arrived nothing could stop it. Unlike zero, this unstoppable behemoth didn't hide in other numbers, it obliterated numbers! When the other numbers would attack INFINITY they found that it was useless it left no numbers behind and no change in INFINITY:

It was theorized that if they could get one to jump onto INFINITY in the same way as it did zero that they could return zero to prominence (zero is at least still a number that could be affected). Lamentably INFINITY is just that - infinite, and 1 could never get on top to make the attack.

Now it was thought that zero could do its 'x' attack on INFINITY to nullify it. The great codex records that the great strategy was to use l'Hopital's rule to have zero attack infinity and they were sure that zero would prevail over INFINITY! [2]

However, there was one major flaw - Hopital is French for Hospital. They had to lure INFINITY into a hospital in order for this to work. INFINITY, being knowledgeable that the hospital is its only weakness, never goes to the hospital because even if half of INFINITY would die due to illness it would still remain infinite:

Thus zero times infinity is forever undefined because INFINITY is too clever to ever permit this to happen.

INFINITY destroys zero like any other number:

Unlike zero, which leaves other zero numbers behind, infinity leaves no number remaining it completely wipes all numbers away leaving the number world completely devastated. Thus infinity is clearly a much greater threat to the world of numbers than is zero, who is not much more than a minor threat. Beware the INFINITY written of in the great Math codex!

Debate Round No. 2


My opponent cites a very good example, the well known events of The Infinity Wars.
However, the important thing that must be noted is that the zero created the infinity!! The Zeroes are the mighty creators, the mighty one and only God, they MAKE INFINITIES!! Do Infinities make zeroes? They can't. On the other hand zeroes make infinity! They are a higher level of terror than those infinities. In addition, the solution was actually quite easy. Our government merely made a good infinity then put a negative sign next to it. Both of these infinities are still battling it out to this day, but as seen here the although the infinity is powerful as one, it cannot spread and destroy us like the horrible Zero virus.
Now, to finish the story (just for fun)....
We waited and waited in the dark for years and years on, and it was year 3,325, 800 years after the Zeroes had conquered us, that we finally found our solution. We had found the mighty Professor Pi after so many years of search, and he had spent half this time inventing a machine that would hopefully finally get rid of the zeroes.
Professor Pi sought out the God Calculus to help us. Calculus asked us if Algebra helped us, and we said no. We did try a secret sabotage on the zeroes as an experiment, it worked out but unfortunately it wasted a load of X's and the numbers in the equation. Calculus nodded in agreement and helped us with a simpler equation with the Spell of Critical Point:
f(x,y)=\frac{\partial f}{\partial y}(x,y)=0.

This could be easily simplified to...
f(x,y) = 0
Much better than
(As a side note, the X's were largely lacking at those ancient times, so we had limited supplies)

And so we surprised the army of zeroes. They were too confused. They multipled to the equation but nothing happened. They tried to divide to infinity but unfortunately they were met with the maxima and minima limit.
We had won the war, but unlike the Infinity Wars, which we only needed ONE GOOD ZERO, a division sign, and a negative one along with a multiplicational sign...we had required the help of God Calculus to defeat the Zeroes. And to today, The Zero King still hides somewhere, waiting for his revenge.....

Vote me


My thanks to 9spaceking for his final arguments.

Unfortunately for Con the zeros have an incomplete understanding of INFINITY. They believe that they are in control of and create INFINITY, but they are merely unwitting pawns in the complete power of INFINITY. They are like a petty sorcerer's apprentice summoning a power well beyond their control.

The first appearance of INFINITY was in the days of the letters. A pie had been baked and half eaten. Though all agreed that the pie was tasty it was not browned enough for a correct visual appearance. Knowing that the sun tans one's skin it was decided to tan the half pie. Such a ridiculous action prompted INFINITY to intervene and destroy all those present for their utter stupidity.

The zeros falsely believe that if they enlisted the aid of the infamous "negative INIFINITY" cadre and pit them against INFINITY that the result would be zero. Unfortunately, INFINITY's control of the number universe is so far beyond zero that they did not realize the error in their logic.

Infinite means precisely that infinite - without limits. There are an infinite number of numbers greater than zero. There are an infinite number of numbers between any two numbers. And there are an infinite number of numbers less than zero. INFINITY has so permeated the number system that there is nowhere to hide! Consider this example - I look outward into space. Space is infinite. There is infinite space behind me too. The space out (+) and behind (-) are all part of the same space. Or in syllogism form:

P1 - The Amount of Space in front of me is Infinite
P2 - The Amount of Space behind me is Infinite
P3 - Space is infinite
P4 - All Space is part of the whole
C1 - Negative infinity (behind) and positive infinity (in front) are all part of the whole of infinity. (-∞)+∞=∞

Thus negative INFINITY is merely a subgroup of INFINITY and cannot be pitted against the parent organization. By engaging the services of negative INFINITY the zeros actually enlisted INFINTY thus cementing their doom.

In reality, INFINITY like the arch criminal master-mind of the numbers universe that pulls the strings of all the other numbers from the shadows. INFINITY truly rules the numbers as INFINITY arbitrates which number is the greatest in any given equation:

In the above equation INIFINTY pulls the strings of the equation to determine that the letter 'e' governs the equation. Here INIFINTY turns numbers back into letters and in this case the letter e has an infinite non repeating number of decimals! Not only has INFINITY replaced numbers with a letter, but it has covertly hidden inside the letter. Truly the power of INIFINTY is boundless!

And as shown in the previous round, when INFINITY chooses to attack directly none are able to withstand it.


The awesome power of INFINITY has clearly been shown to rule above all numbers. All numbers - integers, whole, fractions, decimals and even imaginary are sent to oblivion when engulfed by infinity.

Unlike zero, which is itself merely a number, INFINITY is not a number though pervasive though out the numerical universe and is leaves no number behind when it strikes. INFINITY is the ultimate power governing numbers and ultimately their doom should it ever choose to release its awesome power across the entirety of the numbers universe.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Geogeer 3 years ago
Thanks to Faustianjustice for taking the time to vote!
Posted by Geogeer 3 years ago
Thanks to bladerunner for taking the time to vote.
Posted by Geogeer 3 years ago
Thanks for the debate, let's see if anyone actually votes on it!
Posted by negroid 3 years ago
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Posted by 9spaceking 3 years ago
If I get beat in this debate, i'll blame it on the fact that I forgot to stress that infinity can be beat with ELEMENTARY MATH while you need college material to really beat the ZEROES
Posted by 9spaceking 3 years ago
nothing can be a threat to everything though. :P
Posted by Vajrasattva-LeRoy 3 years ago
I see that 9spaceking is still lying, crazy, & stupid &
wasting everybody's time by posting Fake "Debates" .
I'm not a troll, of course.
Since 0 isn't a number, & NOTHING can't be a threat to anything,
there's no need to enter this "Debate" .
Since complex numbers don't exist, they can't attack anybody or anything.
Images don't prove anything, as I already proved to you.

Get a life!
Posted by 9spaceking 3 years ago
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Posted by 9spaceking 3 years ago
if image not showing see here:
Posted by Geogeer 3 years ago
Okay, I couldn't wait...
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Reasons for voting decision: I think the one salient point that pushed me over was that Con demonstrated 0 is not a threat. Personally, zeros are not dangerous to my bank account.
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Reasons for voting decision: An interesting troll debate, probably the most fun I've read in awhile. But Con's case for infinity was, to me, much more entertaining than Pro's case for 0, though Pro's was fun too.