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Zulu_hasaan
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The Contender
Ragnar
Con (against)
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The Palestinians should get the land over the Jews

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/4/2016 Category: Religion
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Zulu_hasaan

Pro

The Palestinians should get the land because the Jews have been through a lot and was given a second chance at life. The Palestinians had the land and already inhabited it before the Jews came and used the God to justify murder and genocide, as well as taking land that didn't belong to them. They have yet to apologize or pay for what they have done.
Ragnar

Con

Pro clarified in the comment section that this debate is to be about the nation of Israel. This is a subject I'm passionate about, having both fought in Operation Enduring Freedom, and as well as stood against the DDO Muslim voting bloc.

Contentions
C1: Possession is Nine-Tenths of the Law

As of January 2016, Jews account for 75% of the total population of Israel [1]. Exiling or murdering the majority of the population of a country, would be a significant human rights violation. Further they are a peaceful people, able to live in peace with the 20% Arab population within their land.

C2: Right of Might
The Six-Day War was an attempt at genocide against Israel, yet while trying to carry this out they only managed to kill as many as 983 Israelis, for as many as 23,500 of their own soldiers [2]. This 23.9 to 1 rate, combined with their habit of targeting schools and other civilian targets, reveals for the enemies of Israel to succeed they would lose at minimum 192.6 million lives from their own side, which is far greater than the total population of the Middle East.

C3: They Have Been There for Millennia
They are in fact the oldest continuous culture on the planet, having maintained a strong steady presence on the lands in question since several hundred years B.C. [3].

Rebuttals
R1: "The Palestinians should get the land because the Jews have been through a lot"

This seems like an appeal to pity in favor of the Israelites, rather than their neighbors.

R2: Israel "was given a second chance at life."
I have no clue what this is referencing, as it was legally recognized as theirs, by the owners of the whole area in 1917, and again in 2022 [4].

R3: "Palestinians had the land and already."
This is technically true. Palestinians until recent times referred to anyone from the geographic region, Jew and Arab alike. Beyond that, see source [3]. This claim from pro, only disproves his case when the greater number of Jewish Palestinians at the time is considered.

R4: "Jews came and used the God to justify murder and genocide"
Proof of this claimed genocide?

Conclusion
No reason has been suggested for why people who have been there the longest, have the highest population density, and the military might to hold it should, be forced to leave their homes.

Sources
[1] https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...
[2] http://sixdaywar1967.blogspot.com...
[3] http://arabisraeliconflict.info...
[4] http://history1900s.about.com...

Debate Round No. 1
Zulu_hasaan

Pro

Zulu_hasaan forfeited this round.
Ragnar

Con

Apparently my oppoment (who has been online since I last posted) could not find a single thing in my argument with which to disagree.
Debate Round No. 2
Zulu_hasaan

Pro

Zulu_hasaan forfeited this round.
Ragnar

Con

Summary
As previously stated: "No reason has been suggested for why people who have been there the longest, have the highest population density, and the military might to hold it, should be forced to leave their homes."

Pro himself could not come up with a single reason why anyone other than the Jews is entitled to the land, he merely thinks they should appolagize for having lived there for thousands of years.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Ragnar 1 year ago
Ragnar
@Zulu_hasaan
Unless you now agree that the Jews are the rightful owners of the land, you have ten hours to post something.
Posted by harrytruman 1 year ago
harrytruman
LIES!!! The Jews never genocides the Palestinians in the name of G-d, the Palestinians tried to genocide them, in self defense they killed the invaders during the 6 day war, and received land from them as compensation.
Posted by Ragnar 1 year ago
Ragnar
@Zulu_hasaan
Reminder, you now have eight hours to post your argument. Should you forfeit, I will draw inference from you having been on this site yesterday.
Posted by Zulu_hasaan 1 year ago
Zulu_hasaan
Israel
Posted by Overhead 1 year ago
Overhead
Which land? The occupied Palestinian Territories? Israel? Both?
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro FF two times. Conduct goes to Con. Con rebuts all of pros arguments and has better arguments and presents them in an organized way. Con used multiple sources, Pro uses none.
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Reasons for voting decision: 2 forfeits, Conduct to Con. Con rebuts all of Pro's arguments, and Pro can't rebut Con's arguments, arguments to Con by default.
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Reasons for voting decision: Opinion Con: solid points carries the opinion in the end Conduct Con: clear effort and presentation. Pro FF. Behavior Con. S&G/Presentation Con: good presentation, concise points, clear source presentation. Arguments Con: swayed my undecided opinion in this debate. Good arguments, no refutations Sources Con: sources supported his con's points