The Paris attacks were justified
Resolved: on balance, the Paris attacks were justified.
on balance - with all things considered
Paris attacks - a group of terror attacks in the capital of France, Paris, in the evening of 13 November 2015
justified - based on or behaving according to what is morally right and fair
1. Definitions are not contestable.
2. Don't accept if you're TheHitchslap
You argue first round. I have set the voter Elo to 3000 so that the Westerners whose blood was shed in Paris do not frown upon me and attack me through what they consider a useful outlet when in actuality the outlet of their anger, a vote, does not distort the truth!
Thank you, fellow Sunni daughter of Allah.
In this round I will both provide a constructive argument for why these are justified that is two-pronged, and a rebuttal against my opponent's entire constructive case. I will provide some reasons for why these Paris attacks were justified, but I ask the bloodied and harmed Westerners who view this debate to not take their personal biases into account, rather just what is said in this debate - tabula rasa judging if you will!
Before I begin, I want to point out that the resolution is asking if what the Islamic fighters did in Paris was for good reason or based in morality (which is too sketchy for a debate among this userbase, so it is wise to interpret moral to mean good reasoned). So if I prove that if they did it for a good reason overall, then I should win.
Contention 1. These attacks will bring about the Dajjal, the second coming of Jesus, and will lead Islam to rule the world.
Graeme Wood, March 2015, writes:
This means that if we contiue to attack the West then we will influence their allies (the de facto ally of the West is Iran in the fight against ISIS) into fostering the Dajjal into existence (for, if there is no reason for Iran to hate ISIS, then why would the Dajjal rise?). Further, the Dajjal rising from the ashes of Paris will cause a. a death toll in ISIS that is greater than that of the attacks in Paris which effectively justifies the action of the terrorists in Paris for their own blood is shed (for there are more than 5000 ISIS members, and only 5000 will remain) and b. Islam will reign true throughout the world unattacked.
The world is fine with a diversity in religion. We can all have different beliefs. The world would be very dull without that ideological diversity. Even if you do want to spread your religion, you can do so peacefully. Attacks like this only turn people against Islam and Muslims, as the many recent hate crimes against Muslims show.
The people who were killed did not personally take part in killing ISIS members. They should not suffer for what their governments did. What their governments did was justified, as ISIS is an evil group made up of blood thirsty murderers who throw gays off of buildings, rape women and kill innocent people--like in Paris. ISIS fighters deserve to die.
Muslims also died in the Paris attacks.
"I seriously think you're a troll."
"The world is fine with a diversity in religion. We can all have different beliefs. The world would be very dull without that ideological diversity. Even if you do want to spread your religion, you can do so peacefully. Attacks like this only turn people against Islam and Muslims, as the many recent hate crimes against Muslims show."
Yes, it will reinforce the Roman Army's attack on Islam and will bring about the Dajjal, something good I claim and something you fail to refute. We need to do this, as I claim, to spread the True law around the world - you do not attack this, saying that the way that we do this is bad. However, the Dajjal is the only way we can do this! Claiming that we need to do it peacefully is impossible.
"The people who were killed did not personally take part in killing ISIS members."
And the ISIS members to die did not kill them. Still, the actions of the group are justified for they die for their actions! Something you claim and I agree to be good.
"They should not suffer for what their governments did. What their governments did was justified"
Without evidence I can claim the contrary and be as correct as you.
"as ISIS is an evil group made up of blood thirsty murderers who throw gays off of buildings, rape women and kill innocent people--like in Paris. ISIS fighters deserve to die."
Non-sequiter. They WILL die for their actions - you agree this to be good, therefore you concede the debate. They kill innocents to bring the Dajjal back - you do not fight this, this means that you concede the Dajjal will come.
My opponent fails to attack any of my case with substance besides just what they claim to be 'true'. They made no actual arguments for their own side, just claiming that I am a troll and saying that ISIS is bad and deserve to die (the latter I agree to, and this is actually the crux of my case!)
As always, allah yusallmak!
The ISIS members to be killed did take part in violence against innocent people or at least supported it. The Paris victims did not take part in or support violence against innocent people.
ISIS members support ISIS and their horrible actions. Not all French people support their governments actions.
Do you think its ok to kill innocent people?
Besides a faulty appeal to emotion my opponent has not offered a single constructive argument, nor have they rebutted any of mine, just saying that I am not to be believed because "[I am] mentally ill" or a "troll".
Extend all dropped arguments. My opponent drops the Dajjal. My opponent drops the Roman Army and attacking it brings the Dajjal. They just say it is not moral, but when we look at it, the blood of ISIS is shed.
Easily vote aff because you have no reason to vote neg besides being a bloodied Roman armyman.
My argument is that innocent people should not be killed.
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