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"The Patriot" is not anti-English

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/21/2013 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Adam2

Pro

Here I will argue that the "Patriot" was not an anti-English movie. First round goes for acceptance.
henryajevans

Con

This should be interesting...
Debate Round No. 1
Adam2

Pro

OK, let's start off with some basic reasons why the "Patriot" is not anti-English. One of the reasons was that the majority of people in the movie that were fighting in the film were indeed of English ancestry. Many of the people in the movie had English surnames.
Here are some of the surnames (including the full name) of some of these Patriots (and perhaps we'll throw in their families) in the movie that were of English ancestry
Benjamin Martin (http://www.houseofnames.com...)
Colonel Harry Burwell (http://www.houseofnames.com...)
Reverend Oliver (http://www.houseofnames.com...)
John Billings (http://www.houseofnames.com...)
George Washington, portrayed in the movie by Terry Layman, as we know was of English descent
Nathanael Greene (http://www.houseofnames.com...)
I wouldn't put the family though because that would take forever
That's part one. And if anything Scots were probably more loyal to the Loyalists than the English. After all, the Baptists were the ones who drove America to its independence, and they were predominantly English.
"Braveheart," as opposed to the "Patriot," is antagonistic at best, racist propaganda at worst (even if the movie has a lot of truth to it, but it is, and I'll agree with Oragomi this one time, designed to make the English evil caricatures. "Patriot" isn't. The War for American Independence was not born out of hatred for England (after all weren't the Patriots predominantly of English descent themselves?), but rather out of negligence on part of the Crown, plus the war wasn't a violent either. It was more a gentleman war. We see instances where the Loyalist troops do try to help or at least show some mercy to the civilians (partially because they were English like themselves), and Cornwallis, though a tough enemy, has an attitude of warmth to the Patriots, so much that, regardless of who won, peaceful trading relations would continue. In "Braveheart," this isn't the case. In "Braveheart," you can say it's similar to a Nazi film. It's rife with anti-English, and you can even say anti-Scandinavian hatred. For some reason all the evil villains in "Braveheart" all have slanted eyes/tiny eyebrows and pale skin. The guy who steels the man's wife. Longshanks himself. His son. All the noble characters are exotic with olive complexion. The Scottish women are portrayed as noble. The white looking-women, well we don't know for sure though. You can make that conspiracy theory if you want. But the point is all the vicious atmosphere of pure hatred found in "Braveheart" or in a Nazi movie, you can't find in "The Patriot." Even in the movie it is hinted that there wasn't gonna be a war almost if England had just given the terms to America, which they would have done, but apparently, the King wanted more money from the English. However, that's nothing compared to how they would have reacted to Scotland or India or Ireland asking for the same thing. They were racist to them, so they would laugh at the idea of "inferior savages" asking for independence. "Hahahaha, you Krauts, Wops and Mics want independence? In your dreams." Same as Denmark would do to the Inuits. So you can't find anti-English hatred in "The Patriot." If anything the only racism in the movie would be towards the blacks (they portrayed them in demeaning ways quite frankly), the French, and maybe the Scottish.
henryajevans

Con

henryajevans forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
Adam2

Pro

As you can see the "Patriot" is not anti-English. Simply because, the patriots were of English ancestry themselves. If anything they would be the ones discriminating against even the Scottish. The movie might be racist against the French or blacks, but not against the English.
henryajevans

Con

henryajevans forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Adam2 3 years ago
Adam2
Actually that would be wrong. The English are not seen as Nazis at all. I can see people thinking of Scotland and Ireland as Nazis, not England.
Posted by Oromagi 3 years ago
Oromagi
There Adam2 goes again. At least he's not arguing that the Patriot is mostly true.

"How Mel Gibson helped to turn us into Nazis by Jonathan Foreman"

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