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ktimbes1983
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stevster
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Losing
3 Points

The Patriots undefeated season should have an asterisk on it.2 Let's actually debate this.

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Started: 1/17/2008 Category: Sports
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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ktimbes1983

Con

While the valididty of past successes should be questioned that is not the topic of debate. We are discussing this season's outcome and was has taken place in 07-08.

The patriots were outed on week 2 by a backstabbing former assistant of Bill Belichick's. Since then they have been under the microscope from every angle. We can confidently say that the outcome of the games this year have been legit.

Furthermore there has been a lot of speculation that many other teams were using some of the same tactics, namely the Jets who ratted them out. Until an investigation of the entire league is conducted we can't start pointing fingers and getting mad at the patriots. They have gone out all year long and beaten teams with no advantages other than talent.
stevster

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First of all, this is not about any other team in the league, so the Jets, or whoever else has been accused of anything is not relevant to this topic.

Second of all, although they have been under speculation who knows they just haven't found a better way to cheat? Also, the NFL commishioner's office burned the evidence from week 1... this to me is extremely suspicious, if there is nothing to hide.. why do that?

Third of all, going undefeated throughout an entire season (and possibly playoffs) is a major accomplishment and if there is any doubt then it cant be considered the same thing and there needs to be an asterisk or some kind of mention as to there cheating.
Debate Round No. 1
ktimbes1983

Con

"First of all, this is not about any other team in the league, so the Jets, or whoever else has been accused of anything is not relevant to this topic."

Incorrect this is about every team in the league. It would be unjust to point the finger at only one team, for violating a rule that many other teams have been accused of breaking. If the topic was "The Jets should have an asterisk next to their name" people would laugh because nobody would care about the Jets' legacy. Given that there has been speculation about other teams, you must examine each of those teams and place an asterisk next to all of their seasons in order to be fair. In the same way, you cannot put an asterisk next to Barry Bonds name without doing the same to dozens of other players at the same time. Baseball has taken the approach that they will frame the time-period and basically admit that steroids were a problem in the league. Until we know who is guilty and who is not, the most the league can do is to say that this was a problem in the league. The New England Patriots should not be treated differently and punished because they have an incredible team.

"Second of all, although they have been under speculation who knows they just haven't found a better way to cheat?"

Who knows that the Giants aren't all on steroids. Bottom line is, there is no evidence that the Pats have done anything wrong since week 2.

"Also, the NFL commishioner's office burned the evidence from week 1... this to me is extremely suspicious, if there is nothing to hide.. why do that?"

Bringing up this suspicion is once again speculative and is not a valid argument.

"Third of all, going undefeated throughout an entire season (and possibly playoffs) is a major accomplishment and if there is any doubt then it cant be considered the same thing and there needs to be an asterisk or some kind of mention as to there cheating."

I whole-heartedly disagree. You cannot place an asterisk on a team based on doubt. If that were the case then you would also have to agree that the Spurs should have an asterisk next to their championhsip season because one of the refs gambled on games that he officiated. There is certainly some doubt as to whether they would have won that series and therby the championship if there had been different refs on the floor.

Unless you can justify the tons of other teams and players that have doubt swirling around their accomplishments, you can't justify an asterisk next to the patriots season. It would simply be nitpicking because they better than everybody else.

The doubt that many in the public feel, just like the doubt about baseball players, is punishment in itself. A stigma will always be on their accomplishment.
stevster

Pro

stevster forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
ktimbes1983

Con

I guess we're done. I guess we're done. I guess we're done. I guess we're done.I guess we're done. I guess we're done. I guess we're done. I guess we're done.
stevster

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im too lazy to write a real argument, let me just say..... PATRIOTS ARE CHEATERS..... AND LETS GO GIANTS!
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by kels1123 9 years ago
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Sorry must update , The Patriots are 18-0!!!!!
Posted by kels1123 9 years ago
kels1123
The Patriots are the best team this year ..period. Anyone who says otherwise is just being bitter. 17-0 going for 19-0 :)
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