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The President and Vice-President Should Be Elected By A Direct Vote Of The U.S. Citizens

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Started: 4/4/2016 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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ssellnl714

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I think that the President and the Vice President should be elected by a direct vote of the U.S. citizens.

The Electoral College is supposed to reflect what the citizens of the U.S. want, not what rich politicians want. So if we go by that last statement, then we can make a safe assumption and say that the American people would be more inclined to make change that matters and is needed while politicians would be more inclined to change rarely, and when they make a change it’s to keep or put more money in their pockets


Besides that, what the Electoral College does is the same thing a game of telephone does: you have Source A (U.S. voting Citizens), telling Source B (the Electoral College) what they want, then Source B tells Source C (the Ballot) what Source A+B want. Seems logical right? No, there are a couple problems with this;


1) There are two gaps: in between Source A+B and Source B+C. The voting citizens wouldn't lie about what they want so that’s out of question. But the Electoral College can say that they are listening to the voters but lie and vote for the other running candidate.


2) The Electoral College ultimately has all of the power here, not the people that need the change to happen.


Let me know of your Debate opinion and try to argue this case!


Coyote18

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This should be a fun topic to debate! I will be arguing the "Con" side of this argument. To start, I want to specify that my argument will be against having a direct vote of U.S. citizens to elect a President and Vice President.

To wit, the Electoral College is supposed to reflect what the citizens of the U.S. want, and for the most part do a pretty good job at doing so. What exactly do you mean by the American people being more "inclined to make change that matters"? To you, what is the "change that matters"?

Regarding your first problem with the "Telephone Game" analogy, in more than half of the states in America, there are strict state law requirements and repercussions about what is known as "faithless electors". Depending on the legislature, an elector either is bound to cast their vote the same as the popular vote, or cast their vote based on the political party that the elector is pledged to. A "faithless elector" would be someone who votes outside of this, and they have hefty consequences for doing so.

And to your second problem, it is true that the Electoral College ultimately has all of the power, but according to the U.S. National Archives and Records Administration, the entire time that the Electoral College has been established, more than 99% of electors have voted as pledged (either popular vote or party alignment). This shows that they do reflect what the American people vote for.
Debate Round No. 1
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Posted by Conspiracyrisk 1 year ago
Conspiracyrisk
"K's" stands for Kritiks, which are arguments about something assumed in the resolution. For example, a kritik on this debate would be arguing that there shouldn't even be a president or vice president of the US, so of course there shouldn't be a direct vote.
Posted by ssellnl714 1 year ago
ssellnl714
What do you mean "K's"?
Posted by Ragnar 1 year ago
Ragnar
I suggest specifying no K's of the topic, so as to have the debate you want, rather than if they should be elected at all.
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