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'The Prestige' is a better film than 'The Illusionist'.

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Started: 5/3/2008 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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simmyjaye

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'The Prestige' is a better film than 'The Illusionist' for the following reasons:

Firstly, it's a more structually ambitious film, unravelling the mystery of the narrative piece by piece in multi-layered flashback.

Secondly, the two lead roles played by Bale and Jackman are more engaging characters than those in 'The Illusionist', because their growing rivalry (and one character's desire for revenge) give their roles better character 'hooks'.

Thirdly, there is more sense of mystery surrounding the nature of the magic tricks themselves; not only are more tricks shown in 'The Prestige' than in 'The Illusionist', but there is an interesting balance between those we are 'in on' and those which have secrets we don't know about.

Please respond if you would like to argue 'The Illusionist' (the Edward Norton movie) is a superior.
Issa

Con

Really interesting topic, lets have fun shall we??

You argue that The Prestige is a better movie because it focuses on the tricks themselves and the constant rivalry between Angier and Borden (both magicians), but in The Illusionist the rivalry is between Eisenhiem and the Crown Prince.

In The Prestige, Angier and Borden spend their lives trying to outdo each other and then one little trick consumes all of their being. The movie is based on their sole infatuation with that trick.

In The Illusionist, however, it actually tells you about Eisenhiem and Sophie's past and how they would stop at nothing to be together once again. Also, there is way more suspense when it comes to the "murder" and the "resurrection" which is why I love it. Plus at the end you realize how everything fits together.

They are both outstanding movies, but I'm sorry The Illusionist is just better.

romance + jealousy + magic + murder = classic... and that's why people love it.
Debate Round No. 1
simmyjaye

Pro

--- but in The Illusionist the rivalry is between Eisenhiem and the Crown Prince. ---

I will concede there is a rivalry in both films. I would argue the rivalry in 'The Prestige' is more engaging. The rivalry between Eisenhiem and the Crown Prince in 'The Illusionist' is centred around their love for Sophie, and can be reduced to a simple love triangle. In 'The Prestige' the rivalry has to do with conjuring skill, Angier's desire to revenge his wife's death, and who holds sway over Olivia's loyalties (the assistant who is employed by both magicians at various points). I would therefore suggest this is a more complex, original rivalry which is more gripping than the one you describe.

--- The movie is based on their sole infatuation with that trick. ---

Not true. The 'one trick' you are discussing appears over half-way into the film. It is unfair to reduce a description of 'The Prestige' to this, when its narrative also has many other aspects (Borden on death row / Cutter (Angier's trick engineer) confused about his loyalties / the troubles Borden's wife experiences living with a man who has so many secrets).

--- In The Illusionist, however, it actually tells you about Eisenhiem and Sophie's past and how they would stop at nothing to be together once again. ---

I don't understand how this point follows from anything. Anyhow, the characters in 'The Prestige' also have pasts that are well-detailed through the use of flashback.

--- Also, there is way more suspense when it comes to the "murder" and the "resurrection" which is why I love it. ---

Please justify this.

--- Plus at the end you realize how everything fits together. ---

As in 'The Prestige'.

--- romance + jealousy + magic + murder = classic... and that's why people love it. ---

All the words mentioned before 'classic' can also apply to 'The Prestige', so this does not strengthen your argument.

Please provide more evidence for your case.
Issa

Con

Issa forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
simmyjaye

Pro

To recap my main points, I have argued that 'The Prestige' is a superior film due to its more engaging character dynamics, unusual jig-saw structure and a more gripping focus on magic itself.
Issa

Con

look they are both great movies and i like them both, but this debate is not at the least bit interesting so whatever i give up...
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Issa 9 years ago
Issa
look i'm in love with god as much as the next person but my life is my life so you don't have the right to judge me. Only Christ can so leave my sexuality out of it... Kay??
Posted by simmyjaye 9 years ago
simmyjaye
Keep your snippy, narrow-minded judgements off our debate page. Make a comment about the debate, or leave.
Posted by scorpionclone 9 years ago
scorpionclone
I'm still wondering how Issa can be bi-sexual and a christian at the same time. Where does the Bible say that this is acceptable to God?
Posted by Issa 9 years ago
Issa
i have to do physics and chemistry i'll get back to you tomorrow
Posted by Issa 9 years ago
Issa
Well looks like you were wrong on that call huh?

lmao just kidding but I just wanted something to do. =)
Posted by b3rk 9 years ago
b3rk
My prediciton: nobody will accept this.
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