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JoeDSileo
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thrica
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The Recycle Bin(Windows) v. The Trash Can(Mac OS) Which is the better data receptacle?(paradigm)

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Started: 12/13/2007 Category: Technology
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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JoeDSileo

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I argue that the Recycle Bin is the best paradigm. The file does not truly exist. It is merely a collection of magnetic 1s and 0s on a Hard Disk. These 1s and 0s can be erased but the hard disk will remain.

For example, if you write a letter on a piece of paper, and throw it away because it has too many errors, both the platform and its content have been eliminated. However if you delete that same letter as a word document, only the contents have been destroyed. The platform remains and can be reused. In essence you are not throwing away the data, but recycling the space.
thrica

Con

I'm glad you mentioned the word "paradigm" in the topic, for it is on this that our debate will hinge. Your argument is not a paradigm at all; rather a literal representation of what is actually happening in the computer. But there are not actually documents inside my computer, nor is there a trash can or recycle bin.

The goal of a GUI paradigm is not to tell the user the technical aspects what's going on inside the computer, but to provide a helpful analogy to conceptualize it. The zeroes and ones on my hard drive exist virtually as files by virtue of the paradigm, and the space on my hard drive exists virtually as a desktop full of folders. The files according to the paradigm are separate from one another, and not a continuous string on a scroll. While that is closer to how the computer actually operates, human beings can work with the former much better, and the computer has no difficulty presenting its information in this way. Thus the recycle bin does not recycle the document into free space; that would violate the desktop paradigm in favor of the scroll paradigm. It throws the document away as if in a trash can, giving you more room in your workspace to put other things.

In fact, by your argument, an eraser would be a more apt label than a recycle bin. But Windows, as well as the Mac OS, has adopted a desktop paradigm, so the Recycle Bin is inconsistent unless, as is the case in most American households, the end of the trash can and the recycle bin is the same: removing documents from your workspace, regardless of how they are treated afterwards.
Debate Round No. 1
JoeDSileo

Pro

Let us consider for a moment the Recycle Bin itself. It is a receptacle where items are taken to be processed into new items for us to then re-consume. However the Trash Can is designed to discard material never to be used again. When you empty your trash can the material will be thrown out. Holding to the Paradigm of the Desktop GUI, where does the thrown out information go? Since it goes nowhere we can perceive, the Trash Can Paradigm is not complete. Now it is true that the stuff in a recycle bin needs to go somewhere as well, however it does come back to us in one form or another. Perhaps not the exact same material but recycled material. For the sake of the paradigm, the Recycle Bin is both sending away data and receiving blank space all at the same time.
thrica

Con

But according to the desktop paradigm, empty space is immaterial. When you empty the trash in real life, the contents are of no further concern - as far as the emptier is concerned, what was in there may as well not exist anymore. Same thing in the desktop paradigm. When you empty the trash, it goes away from you and becomes of no further concern. It does not come back except in the sense that air rushes in to fill the place where the document was, but a document is not recycled into air.

Your old documents do not become new documents - the desktop paradigm necessitates a mental disconnect between old files and new files, because as far as the end user is concerned, there's no reason they should be related.
Debate Round No. 2
JoeDSileo

Pro

It is true that the document is not recycled into air. However, you did bring up an interesting point. If I have an aluminum can on my desk, and I put it in the Recycle Bin, did I not just recycle space? Though we may not think of it that way when we move an object that is what we are doing. The same holds true for the removal of files from your hard disk.

Furthermore when you move a file to the recycle bin, it has not actually been destroyed. It has been marked for rewrite. Which means that if the Hard Drive requires more space it will recycle the marked file to make room for another one.
thrica

Con

That's not why a recycling bin is called a recycling bin. That would make a really esoteric and confusing paradigm - the intent is the recycling of the material and not the space itself, making it unsuitable for a desktop paradigm except as far as a recycling bin acts in the same way a trash can.

Actually, your last point fits nicely within the trash can paradigm: the document still exists when you empty the trash, but it is only when the garbage collectors take it away that it is truly permanently gone. It's not part of the paradigm currently (undelete = fishing through the garbage pile?), but it's easy enough to see how even that could be integrated in.
Debate Round No. 3
JoeDSileo

Pro

The reason why it is being called a recycle bin is not important. It is recycling space nonetheless. The reason a desktop exists at all is to save space in the first place.

The marking for deletion does not fit nicely with the Trash Can paradigm. When you empty a trash can it is gone forever. However as far as the paradigm is concerned you can still retrieve the file from oblivion until its space has been recycled. When you empty the recycle bin you are telling the computer that if it needs to, the emptied files can be converted into other files.
thrica

Con

That's not how the paradigm works. I could say the trash can 'recycles space' in the same way as the recycle bin; in that respect they're equal. But I'm pretty sure no one ever bought a recycle bin in order to recycle the space already in the house. The 'recycle' in 'recycle bin' comes from what happens after the documents are out of the workspace and has no bearing on its function in the workspace itself.

The appropriateness of an undelete extension to the desktop paradigm is a different argument, but I will say that for all intents and purposes once a file is deleted it's gone. It requires special tools to search and undelete files, just as it would require a special trip to the garbage pile to fish for something missing.
Debate Round No. 4
JoeDSileo

Pro

In the end the Trash Can and Recycle Bin perform the same function. What we have been arguing the whole time is the name. We each have valid points as to why each name should be used. However I would say that the Recycle Bin is still better because it promotes an environmentally friendly way of disposing of waste.
thrica

Con

Yea, well, um... Trash Can has fewer syllables, and therefore less energy will be expended while saying its name. Yea!
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by JoeDSileo 9 years ago
JoeDSileo
Let it be noted that in a personal agreement between myself and my opponent, I have switched my vote to favor his side. Prior to this switch the vote was 4 to 2 in favor.
Posted by dr.doom 9 years ago
dr.doom
The negative turns the affirmative argument in the last speech -- expending more energy = waste, which offsets the environmental friendliness.
Posted by thrica 9 years ago
thrica
Nuh uh, Trash Can is better!
Posted by JoeDSileo 9 years ago
JoeDSileo
The Recycle Bin is better!
Posted by nrw 9 years ago
nrw
this is good i wanna see how this one turns out - someone notify me somehow when this is over
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