The Republics Clone Army Is Far Superior To The Imperials Storm trooper Army
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Small factoid, after measuring storm troopers throughout the movies, it turns out Mark Hamill is actually tall to be a storm trooper
The death stars are not actually a design of the imperials but rather of the separatists. After the clone wars the imperials stole the death star plans and made it themselves.
The Soviets actually stole blueprints for their atomic bombs from the United States, but that doesn't mean that Red Army was ever inferior to Canada and Mexico.
Also, just because the original plans were stolen, doesn't mean that the atomic bombs or Death Stars were any less destructive.
Also do not forget that Darth Vader also fought with the republic and the clones in the form of anakin skywalker, granted not as cool or powerful but they are still the same man.
Not the same person. Darth Vader was a badass Sith-Lord who who inspired fear, terror, and respect throughout the galaxy. Anakin Skywalker however, was a whiny neurotic crybaby, an unlucky Padme lover, and the biggest disappointment the Jedi had ever seen in 29,000 years.
storm troopers were put through non-stop, tiring training... which often resulted in storm troopers being mentally unstable
But you forgot to mention that elite storm troopers were eligible to become Dark Troopers. The Dark Trooper Project of course was an advance research program funded by Sidious to develop what would have become next generation of storm troopers & battledroids (http://starwars.wikia.com...).
Dark Troopers > Clones.
Elite clones=Dark troopers.
Your completely forgetting the point of this debate. This is to see which of the two armies would win in a ground war.
No, I think you're sort of forgetting how fighting wars -to include supporting ground forces- in star wars actually works. A clone army is at a serious disadvantage once Kamino (the cloning headquarters and supply center of the clone army) gets knocked out by the Death Stars or Imperial Fleets. Once that's taken care of, how long is it then that a clone army simply loses by war of attrition and for lack of resupply? As can you can see then, the Imperial Army is vastly better equipped with far more powerful enabling space-tech and superweapons that can dictate the terms & conditions of any ground war.
You'll also remember that the Death Stars serve as a moon size mobile headquarters for the Grand Moffs and Imperial Joint Chiefs. This means then that the Imperial Army -with the Death Stars- has a vastly superior platform for command & control,
The first was fired once before its destruction, then the second wasn't even completed before the rebels destroyed it.
This is true. But there's no evidence that a fleet, army, or planet from the clone wars era could ever survive an attack by the Death Star.
Secondly, darth vader does not lead the imperial army.
Completely false. During raids Vader personally leads the 501st legion, but his actual position in the imperial hierarchy is 2nd in command of the imperial military to the Emperor himself (http://starwars.wikia.com...). The strategic make up, tactics, organization, and overall strategies of the imperial army therefore (to include leading ground operations like the Battle of Hoth), are largely contributed by Vader himself. In contrast to Anakain Skywalker, when Anakin tried to get a leadership seat on the Jedi council, he wasn't even given the title of master.
your also forgetting the elite clone troopers who could take on and beat a jedi quite easily.
You're also forgetting that the imperial army also had the Imperial Royal Guard. When they weren't protecting the Emperor, elite members where trained to confront jedi.
Dark Troopers > Average Clone Trooper
Imperial Guard > Jedi
Holy crap! That hurst my eyes dude.
But yeah, I mean you can't really say that the Old Republic would defeat the Empire in a ground war without taking into consideration all the tooth to tails concepts that go into making ground operations work (like funding, training, logistics, morale, leadership, alliances, etc, etc,). So the Death Stars are a huge imperial advantage here.
As far as just storm troopers vs clones go, I still think Darth Vader is pretty relevant, as he is the one who will lead the storm troopers.
However, in terms of just ground equipment and vehicles, I think the walkers have always been considered the best assualt transports in star wars. Compared to the AT-TE, the AT-AT has much thicker armour, more powerful laser cannons, and could carry more troops.
I completely agree, in an all out war against the republic, if both sides were at full possible strength, the empire would completely decimate the republic, take out the separatists along the way, and still feel well enough protected to leave their door unlocked when they leave the house. However, comparing the technology of the two armies is completely futile. The both of them are in completely different time periods, as well as that a lot of the storm troopers technology is further enhancements on clone technology. For example the storm trooper"s AT-AT walker and E-11 blaster rifle. both of them are new, more advanced versions of the clone armies AT-TE walker and DC15A blaster rifle. Technology wise the Empire is always going to trump the clone army and there is no point in comparing the two.
I still stand to my belief that if we were to strip a storm trooper of his guns and armour, then strip a clone of his guns and armour, the clone would destroy the storm trooper in all aspects. As I have stated before clones are literally bred for war, trained since birth around their trusted brothers to become the epitome of a great soldier. The technology of their time is their ultimate downfall, that and the lack of resources and good leadership during the Clone Wars.
One question, just to see if it is possible for us to come to a general consensus on something, I firmly believe that the forces of the First Order could not only defeat but destroy the clone army and every other significant army in the star wars franchise (e.g. The Droid army, The Imperial army). Opinion?
And yes I do realize the First Order came from the Imperial army but this is all hypothetical.
I still stand to my belief that if we were to strip a storm trooper of his guns and armour, then strip a clone of his guns and armour, the clone would destroy the storm trooper in all aspects.
Well that's not really true either because some selected storm troopers -like Finn in EP VII and members of Palpatine's imperial guard- were shown in the lore to be force sensitive. The clones -by virtue of having their DNA manipulated- lacked in midiclorians and would thus be at a disadvantage in a bare bones fight. Plus we've already established that Dark Troopers beat clones.
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Reasons for voting decision: Con immediately got off on the wrong foot by arguing that the Storm Trooper Army is superior to Clone Army simply because they have better leadership in Vader. Pro pointed out that those same leaders also led the Clone Army, which Con failed to dismiss... The real game-breaker came in round 4 though, where Pro actually listed several specifics about Clone Army weapons and armor gear, almost all of which Con dropped in round 4. Arguments go to pro, all other aspects remain tied
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