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The Restaurant McDonald's Should Go Out of Business

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Started: 3/27/2014 Category: Health
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SolSun

Pro

Rules -
For Me:
Round 1: Rules/Argument
Round 2: Argument
Round 3: Rebuttals/Argument
Round 4: Argument
Round 5: Rebuttals/Argument
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Round 1: Rebuttals
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I believe the restaurant McDonald's should go out of business permanently. They put disgusting and terrible stuff in their food which can increase risk of diabetes, damage DNA, and much more damage! When you buy from McDonald's, you are deliberately paying to harm yourself and anyone else with you. Many of McDonald's food include tertiary butylhydroquinone (TBHQ). This is a chemical preservative so deadly that only 5 GRAMS of it is fatal! And, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration decided that you can put a less amount of Trans Fat then what really is inside the food! McDonald's food has lots of Trans Fat.
Wondering what else McDonald's puts in their food? Here is a list:
sodium phosphates;
bleached wheat flour (nutrients removed);
food starch-modified (likely genetically-modified);
dextrose (sugar);
partially hydrogenated soybean oil and cottonseed oil with mono-and diglycerides, (trans fats);
Prepared in vegetable oil (Canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil) (trans fats);
TBHQ, tertiary butylhydroquinone, a petroleium dervived product;
Dimethylpolysiloxane added as an antifoaming agent (a form of silicone used in cosmetics, and Silly Putty).
You may think McDonald's food taste good, but next time you go there, pay attention to how their burgers look like they were sat on! What do you think about that? And, never pay attention to their commercials. They edit them so much to make their place look great!
Who knew that McDonald's burgers are "washed" with ammonium hydroxide, a chemical used in fertilizers and cleaning products? Ammonium hydroxide is used in 70% of the meats worldwide, and is not listed because it is not considered an ingredient!
McDonald's claims that there burgers are 100% pure beef, and they are lying! When they make burgers, about 75% of the beef is made up of other cow parts that aren't supposed to be in burgers (for example: cow #2)! Why do they do this? Because they pay less and get payed MORE! 15% of the burgers include liquid sugar, which leads to extreme obesity, monosodium glutamate, which can cause stomache aches, headaches, and sometimes fevers, and much more poison!
McDonald's also puts chemicals in their food to make you HUNGRIER, so they can make MORE money! One reason they do this is because working at McDonald's is a low-paying job. Once, McDonald's even lied that their food was healthy on Huffington Post!
What do you think about McDonald's now? Will you vote for me at the end?

Sources:
http://www.endalldisease.com......
http://www.care2.com......
http://www.mcspotlight.org......
http://www.huffingtonpost.com......
http://www.theblaze.com......
JacobAnderson

Con

Many McDonald's food contains tertiary butylhydroquinone (TBHQ).
While this is true, there is only one menu item that is known to have TBHQ- their chicken nuggets[1]. However, I feel that putting this on a stance for banning McDonalds is illogical as there are more foods that contain TBHQ such as Little Debbie, Red Barron Frozen Pizzas, Kellog's Pop Tarts and many of their other snacks, and more[2]. Why ban something affordable to the masses simply because it contains a toxin- a toxin that makes up next to none of the product as it is required to pass through the FDA to be served?

Wondering what else McDonald's puts in their food? Here is a list:
sodium phosphates;
bleached wheat flour (nutrients removed);
food starch-modified (likely genetically-modified);
dextrose (sugar);
partially hydrogenated soybean oil and cottonseed oil with mono-and diglycerides, (trans fats);
Prepared in vegetable oil (Canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil) (trans fats);
TBHQ, tertiary butylhydroquinone, a petroleium dervived product;
Dimethylpolysiloxane added as an antifoaming agent (a form of silicone used in cosmetics, and Silly Putty).
Sodium Phosphate has no health detriments[3].
Modified Starch can be found in things like chips, candy, canned soup, etc [4]. Do you propose we also set a ban out for foods like these?
Sugar? Really? Using sugar as a stance on banning McDonalds?
I realize that these ingredients may seem bad, but there have been no deaths from someone consuming too much tbhq or sugar from McDonalds.

Also, http://abcnews.go.com... another random link to show that McDonalds beef is not the only beef that contains "pink slime." There are rules and laws that allow restaurants and companies a certain percentage of the product to be some sort of meat or vegetable filler. I watched a documentary, the name escapes me but I will find it soon, where I learned that around half of salisbury steaks are required to be meat whiile the other percentage can be filler.

You see, everyone is required to pass the FDA's rules in order to serve food. It just seems apparent that McDonalds is the highest violator because it is among the most famous fast-food chain restaurants in the world. If you suggest banning McDonalds, what do you expect for minimum wage families to do when they can't afford meals for their families?


Sources:
1- http://dailyhealthpost.com...;
2- http://wakeupnews.weebly.com...;
3- http://www.goodguide.com...;
4- http://gluten.lovetoknow.com...;
Debate Round No. 1
SolSun

Pro

Do you realize that all but 1 of your sources at the end is a "page not found"?
You just pointed out the fact that lots of McDonald's foods contain TBHQ. The FDA may be letting McDonald's hide some of their felonies, but McDonald's food is still very bad.
Sodium Phosphate does have health detriments. Sodium Phosphate has chemicals in it that gets you addicted to it. When you have to much salt, you can get stomach cancer. Lots of processed foods, like McDonald's has lots of this. Did you know that 1 dose of Sodium Phosphate sometimes causes serious harm to kidneys and heart. Death can happen, but death by Sodium Phosphate is very rare. The FDA has heard reports of severe hydration after eating Sodium Phosphate.
Sodium Phosphate can also cause diseases. Hypernatriema is a common electrolyte problem. When you have this, your serum will be increased and you will find it difficult to concentrate. Hypernatriema is sometimes caused by dehydration.
Another common disease to get from Sodium Phosphate is Hyperphosphatemia. Symptoms of this disease are muscle cramps, tetany, tingling, bone and join pain, pruritus and rash. More common symptoms are fatigue, shortness of breath, anorexia, nausea, vomiting and sleep disturbances. You can also get seizures!
One of Hypocalcemia's causes is Sodium Phosphate. When you have this disease, your chances for death and morbidity are increased. You lose calcium, which is essential for normal cell function.
You ask if I plan on setting a ban on chips, candy and canned soup. I would say that if McDonald's and food with toxic waste could become healthy, then McDonald's could stay in business. However, McDonald's is not healthy, so it should go out of business.
On the rare occasions when I eat at McDonald's (usually when I am traveling), I feel sick after eating there. I feel feverish. And a few days later after eating there, sometimes I do get a fever!
I am wondering if you think sugar is healthy, because you are wrong. Sugar is one of the worst ingredient in a modern diet. It has harmful effects on metabolism and can cause various diseases, like Diabetes. Salt can cause Diabetes as well. Sugar is made out of glucose and fructose. When you consume fructose, you are putting waste into your body, which is harmful. However, barely eating any sugar is okay. Still, after eating sugar, exercise is recommended.
Now, let's get back on topic. Fructose will be turned into glycogen and stored in the liver until using it is necessary. Eating lots of fructose though will overload the liver, and the body will be forced to turn glycogen into fat. This can lead to Fatty Liver and all sorts of other problems.
It is impossible to overeat fructose if you eat fruit. Fruit is a good, yummy alternative for sugar. It is recommended trying. Why is it recommended? Because sugar can kill you. The CDC has looked at the relationship between added sugar and heart disease. The results were frightening. The American diet contains enough sugar to increase the risk of heart disease by 20%. Also, consuming 25% of your calories from sugar (420/2000 calories), doubles your risk of death from heart disease. Sugar leads to obesity, type 2 Diabetes, cancer and more!
Consuming sugar and processed foods increases dentist bills by $54 billion! Sugar is terrible for your teeth and health. Brown sugar is less processed, and is better then white. Still, sugar should be consumed rarely, and if you consume it, exercising it off is recommended.
McDonald's isn't the only cheap restaurant. There are many others, like Wendy's. Minimum wage families can eat there instead, healthier but still unhealthy.

Sources:
http://www.drugs.com...
http://www.medscape.com...
http://emedicine.medscape.com...
http://emedicine.medscape.com...
http://emedicine.medscape.com...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk...
http://authoritynutrition.com...
https://shine.yahoo.com...
JacobAnderson

Con

Do you realize that in order to make them work, all you had to do was refresh the page? You also realize that no one will care enough to match links up with your arguments, so no one will know what is true and what is not- future tip ;). I am in no control of whether or not my links work, but here they are again.
http://dailyhealthpost.com...
http://wakeupnews.weebly.com...
http://www.goodguide.com...
http://gluten.lovetoknow.com...;

You just pointed out the fact that lots of McDonald's foods contain TTBHQ.
A direct quote from my initial argument, there is only one menu item that is known to have TBHQ- their chicken nuggets[1]. So no, I did not point out that lots of their foods contain TBHQ, I proved that there was only one food item that contains it. I also proved that Little Debbie and Kellog's snacks also contain TBHQ, which you seem to have neglected as you did not answer why these snacks should not be banned under the same ruling.

The FDA has heard reports of severe hydration after eating Sodium Phosphate.
I am assuming you meant dehyradtion. You have not proved that it causes death or that the FDA found a case where it causes death, but only where they found severe dehydration. Many people are often dehydrated as it is anyway, so there is no reason why we should ban McDonalds because a simple few have had this problem. I've eaten McDonald's, so by your argument I have had sodium phosphate, and I guess by your argument, I am addicted to sodium phosphate. However, I haven't eaten McDonalds in months and I have never been addicted to it, which I am assuming is the same for many people.

I already proved that Sodium Phosphate isn't detrimental, and I am becoming increasingly unconnected, so I will wrap this up quickly.

You stated that because it is unhealthy, it should be banned. However, you neglect to see that fast food isn't healthy in any respect, so why only pinpoint McDonalds. If other fast food restaurants aren't banned,McDonalds shouldn't be either.
Also, preservatives and chemicals are put in majority of packaged foods- if not, the shelf life would be less than a wekk like with freshly baked bread. Should we also put an end to these items as they have health detriments?

Also, I am laughing that you think I think sugar is healthy. Natural sugars are healthy but an excessive amount obviously isn't. Everyone knows about diabetes dah dah dah dah dah
Debate Round No. 2
SolSun

Pro

Chicken nuggets may have TBHQ, but so do the burgers. And I said that those snacks should have the TBHQ removed, but if McDonald's tried to change it would be a totally different restaurant.
Sodium Phosphate causes a disease that rarely causes death. Not all food have the addictive chemical in it, so you may have not eaten that food. I had McDonald's for lunch today, and I felt sick.
Why shouldn't the other fast foods restaurants be banned? Because most of them can be changed and still be the same. However, if McDonald's was changed to become more healthy, it would be a totally new restaurant.
The packaged foods should have quite a bit less preservatives, making it healthier, and it can still last a whole.
When you say natural sugar, do you mean fruit sugar? If so, natural sugars are a lot healthier and better for you, but still, to some degree, unhealthy.
JacobAnderson

Con

I have researched McDonald's foods that contain TBHQ and all I found were chicken nuggets- feel free to prove me therwise with a valid source.
If McDonald's tried to change, it would undoubtedly be a more healthy restaurant. However, people do not go to McDonald's because it is unhealthy and they want to feel bad about themselves, they go to McDonald's because it is the most sucessful and among the most cheap of fast food restaurants. Take Taco Bell and Taco Bueno as an example (I am going to bring in basic economics). Taco Bell is more popular than Taco Bueno not because it is better, but because it is cheaper. If we were to put this in term of Good A (Bell) and Good B (Bueno), economics state that A would be considered an inferior good- something people only purchase as a substitute for B because it is cheaper, regardless if it was better. You can say the same thing with store brands as opposed to name brands. The point of this, though, is to prove that people don't o to McDonald's because it is unhealthy, they go because it is cheap. Changing McDonald's won't change the prices and therefore won't run the fast food chain out of business.
Also, that is your experience with eating McDonald's. I am not an unhealthy person, I rarely eat fast food anymore, but I never grew up accustomed to eating avocados. I tried one for the first time and I almost puked- I hated the texture, I hated the taste. These are just our personal experiences. I am not willing to outlaw avocados because they caused me to gag when I tried one.
Basically, the only argument you made in this round is that McDonald's should be banned because they are not healthy and if they were to become healthy, they would run out of business anyway, which I think i have sufficiently debunked. So, there is no logical reason why McDonald's should be banned, maybe changed, but not banned. (But changed is not the debate)
Debate Round No. 3
SolSun

Pro

SolSun forfeited this round.
JacobAnderson

Con

I withhold all arguments until my opponent returns.
Debate Round No. 4
SolSun

Pro

SolSun forfeited this round.
JacobAnderson

Con

JacobAnderson forfeited this round.
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