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The Role of the USSR in Defeating the Axis Powers was Just as Great as that of the United States

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Started: 12/20/2013 Category: Arts
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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STALIN

Pro

I will be arguing that the Soviet Union did just as much to defeat the Axis Powers as the United States did. My opponent will have to show how the role of the United States in WWII was greater than that of the USSR.

Axis Powers: Germany, Italy, Japan, Romania, Hungary, Bulgaria, Finland, Vichy France, Thailand, Iraq, Croatia, Slovakia, Albania, Manchukuo, China-Nanjing, Mengjiang, Burma, etc.

Some of the axis powers that I listed above were puppet states and Co-belligerents. All of the axis powers are shown here:
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Structure:
Round 1: Acceptance
Round 2: Arguments only
Round 3: Arguments/rebuttals
Round 4: Arguments/rebuttals
Round 5: Arguments/rebuttals/conclusion

This will be a tough debate and I don't know if anybody will be willing to accept it. Anyway, lets begin.
JonathanPoverud

Con

The Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) provided many great advantages to the allied war effort. In fact the USSR lost the largest number of military fatalities by any single nation in the Second World War. The sacrifice of those men and many civilian casualties can not be ignored but the political leadership, primarily Joseph Stalin, produced a system that complicated the Geo-political response, gave Hitler a green light to invade Poland, and left the Soviet Union in a constant defensive position during the vast majority of the war. For the simple reasons that Stalin engaged in Appeasement of Hitler and failed to estimate German strength when planning for the Soviet Defense, Stalin"s actions diminished the Soviet impact on the allied war effort.

Soviet Appeasement Emboldened Hitler: In August 1939 being more occupied with the expansion of the Soviet sphere of influence Stalin ordered the USSR into a pact with Nazi Germany over the annexation of Poland. Stalin went so far as to encourage trade between the USSR and Nazi Germany in effect making the British blockade an impotent tool of war. Stalin repressed anti-Nazi uprisings in Soviet controlled territory suppressing the chance of an over throw of the Nazi regime in these areas.

Stalin failed to estimate the threat Hitler posed to the Soviet Union: By 1941 Soviet Generals could see the handwriting on the wall and repeatedly warn Stalin of a potential invasion by Germany. Stalin ignored those warnings and failed to move troops to the border in a defensive position. This was further complicated after the invasion by Germany that it took Stalin until mid 1942 to get serious about defenses of the Soviet Union. The fact the Nazis made it to within 30 kilometres of the Kremlin defies imagination.

It is sad so many Soviet"s had to give their life because of two major flaws in the Stalin"s prosecution of the war.
Debate Round No. 1
STALIN

Pro

I will now state my arguments.


ARGUMENT I: Soviet Military Contributions in the Far East.

A common myth about WWII is that the United States won the war against Japan almost single handedly. This is untrue for several reasons. First off, about a third of the Japanese war deaths were in China and South East Asia. In addition to this, the USSR played an important role in defeating Japan during the border wars which took place before WWII ever happened and during the war against Japan in 1945. During the border wars, Japan suffered as many as 150,000 casualties.[1] During the war in 1945, the Japanese suffered around 700,000 casualties.[2] These numbers show that the Soviets played a very important role in the defeat of Japan. Many historians believe that the Soviet invasion of Manchuria, North Korea, and the Kuril Islands did just as much to cause Japan's surrender as the two atomic bombs that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki did. I agree that overall, the United States did more to defeat Japan since the United States destroyed the Japanese navy, however the role of the Soviet Union must not be ignored.

ARGUMENT II: Soviet Contributions in the European Theater.

The Soviet Contributions in the European Theater were considerably greater. In June 22, 1941, 4 million German, Romanian, Hungarian, Italian, and Finnish soldiers invaded the USSR. Around 3.5 million of these soldiers were German. At the same time there were only 150,000 German soldiers under Erwin Rommel were fighting in Africa. The first real German defeat was during the battle of Moscow. For the first time, a German Blitzkrieg was stopped and pushed back 100 miles. Germany suffered staggering losses. In the summer of 1942, the Germans launched an offensive to take Stalingrad and the southern oil fields. This offensive failed and resulted in over a million casualties for the Germans. Germany lost all chances of winning WWII when the Soviet Union defeated them during the battle of Kursk. After that, it was only a matter of time before Germany would lose the war. Throughout WWII, the Germany army suffered around 80% of their casualties in the east. In addition to this, all of the Romanian, Hungarian, Finnish, and many Italian soldiers died on the eastern front. The Soviets captured Berlin and ended the Third Reich.

ARGUMENT III: American Contributions.

The United States entered the war some 6 months after the Soviet Union did. America did send many supplies to its allies in China, Britain, the USSR, and other countries. These supplies saved Britain and helped the Soviet Union greatly. American supplies were probably more important in the European Theater than American soldiers were. Around 10-15% of German casualties were inflicted by the United States. The United States arrived when the tide of war in Europe was already turning. Germany was losing in both Africa and on the Eastern Front by the time the United States arrived. However America did play an important role in the Pacific. They were responsible for the destruction of the Japanese navy and the United States can be given most credit for the defeat of Japan.

I await a response from my opponent.

Sources

http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://en.wikipedia.org...
JonathanPoverud

Con

JonathanPoverud forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
STALIN

Pro

Well there isn't really any point in continuing this. Con is no good.
JonathanPoverud

Con

JonathanPoverud forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
STALIN

Pro

STALIN forfeited this round.
JonathanPoverud

Con

Thanks for the debate.
Debate Round No. 4
Debate Round No. 5
1 comment has been posted on this debate.
Posted by NightofTheLivingCats 3 years ago
NightofTheLivingCats
Well, maybe in the European theatre.
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Reasons for voting decision: CON didn't really provide any arguments against the resolution and disobeyed the 'first round acceptance' provocation. PRO provided arguments that were never refuted. CON forfeited, so conduct no arguments (not refuted) go to PRO. S&G were even. PRO did use a source, but it was Wikipedia. If I wasn't giving PRO points in other areas, though, I'd give him sources.
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro's arguments were not responded to by con and pro didn't forfeit. Pro also had sources.