The Instigator
bexy_kelly
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beem0r
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The South Park episode "Ginger Kids" is an accurate representation of red-heads

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/29/2008 Category: Society
Updated: 8 years ago Status: Voting Period
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bexy_kelly

Pro

Well, I'll allow my opponent to make the opening argument, as they are in an impossible position, it is only fair for them to start off

I'll set some rules though

1) Redheads refers to people with ginger/ red/ orange/ auburn hair

2) South Park refers to the TV show

Now we know what we're debating about :-D
beem0r

Con

Ladies and gentlemen, it is not I defending an impossible position, it is my opponent.

My opponent is arguing that Episode X of South Park IS an accurate representation of red-heads.

The episode IS NOT a representation of red-heads, accurate or not. The episode CONTAINS a representation of red-heads in it. But to say that the Episode IS a representation of redheads is patently untrue.

Even so, I must disaqgree with even the statement that Episode X of South Park CONTAINS an accurate representation of red-heads. Why? Because the episode depicts red-heads as looking like badly drawn cartoons, something that is also patently untrue.

Let's look at some redheads to see the difference.

Real red-head: http://ohjoy.blogs.com...
South Park representation thereof: http://i6.photobucket.com...

As you can see, the representation is not accurate. Real redheads do not look like poorly drawn cartoons, nor do their often-existing freckles look quite as ridiculous as portrayed in South Park.

I believe I have shown that The South Park episode "Ginger Kids" is not an accurate representation of red-heads.
Debate Round No. 1
bexy_kelly

Pro

Unfortunatly time is not on my side today. This is absalutly no excuse for bad debating, I know, and I know also that you do not care for my time troubles. However this argument will have to be short due to a lack of time.

You are comparing two different forms of red heads with your links, beem0r. The woman shown in the first link is clearly a DAYWALKER (i.e has red hair but not light skin and freckles), whereas the children shown in the other link are simply the other type of redhead (I do not have a name for them, it was not specified in the episode). Also the redhead shown had a more auburn hair colour, whereas the cartoon had your "typical carrots", as I like to call them. The redhead shown was quite attractive (one in a million), whereas the cartoons shown are simply your typical redheads. So my opponent has made an unfair comparison.

I will now provide links which are fair comparisons:
http://z.about.com...
http://images.google.ie...

And now, I have proven that physically redheads are accuratly represented in south park. The ridiculas freckles, light skin and hair colour should be noted.

PS sorry its a bit abrupt
beem0r

Con

Oh, it's true that not all redheads look like the one I posted a picture of. However, it's also true that an overwhelming minority of redheads look like those portrayed in Southpark.

All South Park characters are drawn in a very unrealistic way. They are not accurate physical representations of humans. The cartoony coloring, the incorrect proportions: they do not correctly represent the actual appearance of a real person. Real people have hair that comes in individual strands. Real people have faces with a variety of color. And real redheads don't usually have freckles all concentrated in one small area. To look at a South Park episode and say that it 'accurately' depicts real people is a grievous lie. Real people don't look anything like South Park characters.

My opponent also posted two pictures - one of a South Park character, one of a real person. Just as my two pictures from last round intentionally were selected because of differences, these were intentionally selected because of similarity. My opponent claims that my comparison was one in a million, but so is hers.

Therefore, not only is the South Park representation of redheads not accurate because of cartoony, disproportionate appearances, but also because most redheads do not have the supposed traits redheads in the show do. My opponent may be able to show a few examples, but the resolution states a general rule. My opponent has not given any reason to think the extremely narrow, steroetypical view of redheads presented in the episode should apply to redheads as a general rule, even if the appearance wasn't an issue.

So, A> The physical appearance is not accurately represented.
and B> The general red-head population is much more diverse than the representation in South Park, therefore the representation is inaccurate on a broad scale.
Debate Round No. 2
bexy_kelly

Pro

Hey sorry I can't type up a reply to this, due to time management and other issues.

My opponent has probably won this, ah well, some you win and some you lose.

Sorry about this final round it's really just as bad as forfeiting
beem0r

Con

Rather than flailing hopelessly like a wounded trout, my opponent has decided to walk away with her dignity intact. I wholeheartedly support this gesture from my opponent, and I wish her well in her future endeavors, whatever they may be.

That said, great justice demands that you vote CON.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Im_always_right 8 years ago
Im_always_right
Why is Beem0r's account closed...that makes me mad...oh well I guess I have to vote for him anyway, since pro [bo matter the reason] did not show up.

I understand issues with time btw though, it was better than leaving it as forfeits, at least you tied to sow up.
Posted by beem0r 8 years ago
beem0r
Not like I'm going to complain about it, since it only makes my job easier. ;]

I've had to forfeit a few rounds myself, so I can understand. Hopefully we'll meet again on the debating battlefield.
Posted by bexy_kelly 8 years ago
bexy_kelly
Hey Beem0r, thanks for being so nice about that forfeited round. Good debatemanship (can you say that?!?) all around! :D
Posted by bexy_kelly 8 years ago
bexy_kelly
haha and how are you going to get this 5 bucks? I'll just try and think myself... don't know how... but I can try anyway..
Posted by Logical-Master 8 years ago
Logical-Master
For 5 bucks, I'll write an irrefutable rebuttal for you. You can still win.
Posted by bexy_kelly 8 years ago
bexy_kelly
Yeah of course I am. And I've also got a good debater against me (dang nammit!). I was really hoping for a terrible debater with the "my best m8 is ginger and shes beautiful" approach. Oh well. I'll try and lose with some pride, but the definite outcome is going to be losing
Posted by Logical-Master 8 years ago
Logical-Master
Given that you're simply referring to stereotypes, I think you're going to lose this debate.
Posted by biophil 8 years ago
biophil
What do you mean with representation in the episode? Kyle is also a redhead... could you please specify the properties that you would like to generalize over all gingers (Daywalkers incl.?)
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