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Theunkown
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kingkd
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The Soviet Union did not have a capital city.

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Theunkown
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/24/2015 Category: Funny
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Theunkown

Pro

*Warning, Some of you may facepalm upon reading this debate*

1. This debate is not meant to be serious.

2. Despite the non-serious nature of the debate, voting is encouraged.

3. Did you take the first point seriously? You did? Why so serious mate? Anyway, this debate does have some serious rules

4. Round 1 acceptance by Con

5. There shall be no strict defenitions.


Debate Round No. 1
Theunkown

Pro

Let me just put out a few indisputable facts here.

1. All capitalist countries have capital cities (Washington DC, London, Paris, Tokyo, Seoul, Canberra and countless others).
2. All capitalist coutnries lean towards free market economies.


The USSR was NOT capitalist and did everything in its power to lean away from capitalism.

Capitalist countries leant towards free market, USSR would opt for command based economy.
Therefore if Capitalist countries have capital cities, USSR CANNOT have a capital city (notice the corelation between the prevelance of capitalism and number of capital cities in the world today).

capitalist countries have capital cities. The connection between the words is apparent
My opponent will argue that
Socialist countries have capital cities? I fail to see the connection between capital and social.

Therefore the USSR could not, by defenition have a capital city. By defenition because USSR has the word Socialist in its name (Union of Soviet Socialist republics).

Surely Con cannot defeat my logic skills in this debate! Muwahahaha!!
kingkd

Con

Capital: the most important city or town of a country or region, usually its seat of government and administrative center.
wealth in the form of money or other assets owned by a person or organization or available or contributed for a particular purpose such as starting a company or investing.

These two defiitions are from Google.
http://dictionary.reference.com...
The noun capital refers to a city or town that is the seat of government.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com...
A town or city that is the official seat of government in a political entity, such as a state or nation.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com...
The most
important city or town of a country or region, usually its seat of government andadministrative center.



USSR did have a capital city, as Moscow was the capital of the USSR.
http://www.britannica.com...
"The capital was Moscow, then and now the capital of Russia."

http://englishrussia.com...
https://www.marxists.org...

Both sources state that Moscow was the Capital City of USSR.

My opponent refers to the second definition, of relating to money or assets. This is false. He refers to CAPITALISM, not CAPITAL.They may look similar, but they carry different meanings,

Capitalism:an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

The resolution is not "Did the USSR have a city that was capitalist?" The resolution is "The Soviet Union did not have a capital city", and if you use the economic definition of capital, which is "wealth in the form of money or other assets owned by a person or organization or available or contributed for a particular purpose such as starting a company or investing", you find that the Soviet Union had cities with capital in them, such as Moscow because people in Moscow had capital. Notice the difference between capital and capitalism, as Socialist states can have capitalism. It would be like saying "Butterflies must have butter in them because it says so in the name".


I negate the resolution.



Debate Round No. 2
Theunkown

Pro


Capital: the most important city or town of a country or region, usually its seat of government and administrative center.


*Rules as stated in Round 1 demand that no strict defenitions be established*
Therefore we cannot take this defenition of capital as set in stone, word for word.

The noun capital refers to a city or town that is the seat of government.
The word 'capital' as used in the debate resolution is used as an adjective for the noun 'city'. Capital itself, for the purposes of this debate is not a noun. Con's arguments are therefore invalid.


Con goes on to make an assertion to show that the city of Moscow could be described as capital of the Soviet Union and quotes the following statement from Encyclopedia Britannica:

"The capital was Moscow, then and now the capital of Russia."

Notice that Con's own source says Moscow was the Capital of Russia, not the Soviet Union. Moscow has been the capital of the Russian Federation from 1991 to Present (then and now). This does not prove that the Soviet Union described this city as the capital (Even IF that were possible, which it isn't thanks to the contradiction between socialism and capitalism).

Even before 1991, consider this. The USSR was not a single entity but comprised of many member republics. They are listed Below alphabetically organized with their capitals on their side.[1]
1. Armenia - Yerevan
2. Azerbaijan - Baku
3. Belarus - Minsk
4. Estonia - Talinn
5. Georgia - Tblisi
6. Kazakhstan - Alma-ata
7. Kyrgyzstan - Bishkek
8. Latvia - Riga
9. Lithuania - Vilnus
10. Moldova - Chisinau
11. Russia - Moscow
12. Tajikistan - Dushanbe
13. Turkmenistan - Ashgabat
14. Ukraine - Kiev/Kharkiv
15. Uzbekistan - Samarkand/Tashkent

Whilst these individual republics had capitals, there is no proof that the Union had a capital city. As doing so would contradict Socialism.


Con essentially loses all credibility when making the following statement:
Socialist states can have capitalism
Woah woah hold on there. Capitalism is private ownership of the means of production whilst socialism is its abolition. I do not mean to give strict defenitions but there is no way the two can reasonably co-exist. It is like saying a person is a convinced atheist and a prious christian.

I negate the credibility of Con. gg vote for Pro.



Sources:
[1]http://geography.about.com...

kingkd

Con

kingkd forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
Theunkown

Pro

All arguments stand and are extended
kingkd

Con

kingkd forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by vuwij 2 years ago
vuwij
lol
Posted by Theunkown 2 years ago
Theunkown
kritik?
Posted by tejretics 2 years ago
tejretics
This is gonna be a kritik debate.
Posted by joetheripper117 2 years ago
joetheripper117
I predict that you will use Rule #5 to deny any claims as to what a "capital city" is
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Vote Placed by phiLockeraptor 2 years ago
phiLockeraptor
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Reasons for voting decision: Capital cities are the cities in which the government decides how best to gather more capital. A socialist economy could never do this! Also, FF on cons side, the rules of the debate make sources negligible, and Pro's argument amused me more.
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Reasons for voting decision: Forfeiture