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STALIN
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MasterOfTheUniverse
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The Soviet Union played the most important role in defeating Germany.

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STALIN
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 10/21/2013 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 641 times Debate No: 39252
Debate Rounds (5)
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STALIN

Con

If you accept then state your position. I will respond in the next round.
MasterOfTheUniverse

Pro

I think a compelling case can be made that the Soviets made a more valuable contribution in several ways:

1) the number of lives expended to win a battle(s) considered in conjunction with the number of Nazis lives taken

2) the number of campaign conquest

3) the amount of resources (money, munitions, heavy mech and tech units)

4) strategic contribution winning the Eastern Front; and cutting off of external Nazis supply lines
Debate Round No. 1
STALIN

Con

I actually know the Soviets did play the most important part in winning the war in Europa. I just would like to see if I can win this debate :)

1) The western allies were fighting Germany from the very beginning while the Soviets signed a pact with Germany in 1939 and helped Germany secure eastern Europe.

2) Without American supplies, the Soviet Union might have lost the war. Food and trucks were vital.

3) Western allied bombings of Germany destroyed entire cities and did not allow the German war economy to expand. These bombings also killed hundreds of thousands of civilians and demoralized Germany. As a result of western allied bombings Germany had to build AA guns to fight the planes instead of tanks to send to the east.

Your arguments are not very convincing pro:

Approximately 25-27 million Soviets died during WWII which includes some 10-11 million soldiers. On the other hand, Germany lost 3-4 million German soldiers died on all fronts combined.

Your second argument makes absolutely no sense. Yes the Soviets did take half of Europe but this doesn't prove that they had more "campaign conquests."

Your third argument: yes the Soviets did outproduce Germany and were producing three times as much by 1943. However Stalin relied heavily on supplies from the western allies.

Yes the Nazi supply lines were cut many times and on all fronts of the war. This does not show how the Soviet contribution was greater than that of the western allies.
MasterOfTheUniverse

Pro

MasterOfTheUniverse forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
STALIN

Con

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MasterOfTheUniverse

Pro

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Debate Round No. 3
MasterOfTheUniverse

Pro

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Debate Round No. 4
STALIN

Con

VOTE PRO EVERYBODy!!!
MasterOfTheUniverse

Pro

MasterOfTheUniverse forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
1 comment has been posted on this debate.
Posted by STALIN 3 years ago
STALIN
VOTE CON i meant.
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Reasons for voting decision: ff - see ore_ele's RFD
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Reasons for voting decision: It's obvious. Just read the debate
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct for the FF. Sadly, Pro had a good chance to win this debate, heck, Con even admitted that he believed in the Pro side. Pro never really made any arguments, they just opened with their opinion and no logic or support (which is okay in R1, but only if you come back in R2 to expand upon them). Con made a decent refutation of the points, though they could have been argued, but since they weren't Arguments to Con.