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The Taliban's usage of child suicide bombers in this video cannot be excused by any moral relativism

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Started: 5/10/2014 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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kxu65

Pro

War is a terrible event that should not ever happened to anybody or country. There are just too many people that die on both sides just for the sake for their causes and believe. Not to mention that the country that the war is being fought on is being destroyed at the same time. Incident individuals die in the process that has no involvement what so ever in the war. Also too much money is being spend on both sides that could be put into better use. Also both sides try to brainwash their country in order to justify for their reasoning for the war is for the greater good of its citizens and the nation. But what really is wrong is that when their is children involved in the process.
The problem is that when children are involved and doing the work for adults because the adult knows better what they are doing is wrong, and the action is life changing. How could someone brainwash someone to do something they are not willing to even consider doing? That is just morally wrong. This is just what leaders of the Taliban in Afghanistan are just doing. They are taking children to become part of the war, which they have no knowledge of. They are making them into child suicide bombers. The problem is that the leaders of Taliban are suppose to leaders, so they are trusted to do the right things. Also children at any age are very impressionable. They do not know right from wrong. They need to be taught what is right and what is wrong. Then also the Taliban are teaching the child as part of their religious teachings and their education. They are brainwashing them because the children have not develop the knowledge to understand their religion or even read the Quran. (15:09) If the children read and understood the Quran, they would never become suicide bombers. (15:12) In the Quran, it states that not to kill other Muslims. (21:50) But that is not the simple point. The simple and the most basic point is that they leaders are trusted, and lies to the children. (15:31) They tell them that they are not bombs, but documents, and sit and wait at the hotel. (15:40) The children are okay with that with the result being either in death or being sent to jail. But for me, do the Taliban leaders have a moral problem with killing the most incident individuals in society: the Children? For me, I don"t believe so. They will try would ever method that is the easiest to do that will achieve their goal of inflecting the most amount of damage on their enemies the Americans by killing them, having on thought on all the incident bystanders. They mask their goals and acts through their religion under the holy name of Islam, which is ironic because it is actually a peaceful religion, which in the process gives the religion of Islam a bad image, name, and wrap. For me by doing this, I feel and view the people of the Taliban as being backwards, and not even as intelligent as certain animals. They are still acting like the way they did back during the Crusades during the Middle Ages, even though it is ironic that they were more advance at the time then the Europeans. The tables now have switched. All other religions and cultures have evolved over the thousand years since the Crusades, but they still have not, and I don"t see a change in them anytime soon in the near future. Then reason I view and feel is that a period of enlightenment has not happened upon them yet, and probability will not be likely anytime in the near coming future. So my personal view for them is that all hope for them is all lost, and cannot even be regained ever again. They are a shame to their religion. Also I feel like their strategies would never be successful in reality, but the problem of how the leaders in America are running the war is actually helping the Talibans to advance their causes. The American drove the Talibans back in 2001, but the news is now reporting that they are coming back in Afghanistan. So either what they are doing is working or the leaders in America are blind. Their cause and vision for human rights of individuals have caused them to lose the war since right from the start. Because certainly the Talibans have zero care and value for any human rights what so ever. We cannot excuse them for their crimes against humanity.
ciccarellimarc

Con

War is a very strong word and it is a terrible event to happen. America is in war now with Afghanistan, and they found a new strategy, suicide bombing, but they include children in the attacks now which is sickening to hear in my opinion. At 14:13 the narrator says that children pass the checkpoints for easily to go pass searches and they move more easily throughout the city. At 15:05 he says that the children are picked for the suicide attacks because they have no religious knowledge, they are young so they do not know as much as the adults do. He also says a child who read and studied the Quran, would not kill themselves, they may enter the war and fight, but would not commit suicide. At 15:35 the guy says since they are young and do not know much they are told lies, they are told explosives are not strapped to their chest, its secret documents. This is very sad in my opinion because how do these people just let these innocent little children commit suicide. It is not just a few children it is happening so often over there in Afghanistan now. Even in their school systems the teachers tell them commit suicide in order to go to paradise, they do not teach them too much of the Quran. One of the head leaders of the taliban and he says that the war will intensify day by day if operations continue. Also, basically he also said he supports suicide bombing because it gets the job done. People said if they read the Quran they would know not to kill. How do these people even call themselves muslims? These people are using children and it is sickening to watch. My guess as to why they use children is because it is easier to carry out the mission because no one would think a child is going to do anything harmful. In my opinion, I am very against the way these people carry out what they do, I believe bringing little children and harming them is disturbing to hear. They have no idea what is going on, and they are told lies at such a young age and it is very sad to hear what happens to them.
Debate Round No. 1
kxu65

Pro

How can we say that we truly understand what is right or wrong, when we don"t even know our own culture good enough. In our culture, religion and state are separate, but that is not the case in the Islamic culture.
The children are just trying to fit into their cultures. They are trying to obey the law and respecting their elders. I mean we all try to follow the rules, even though it might be wrong because the consequences might be even worse off. Plus as all children experience at their age, are also afraid of going against what is suppose to be the norm. For them to be a suicide bombers may be one of the only ways that they are able to fit into or with their peer groups. What if they don"t do this? How bad would it feel if everyone else looks down at him for being the outcast? The other boys will more than likely to point and make fun of him. Bullying is a big problem, and the elders have enough on their hands to deal with. Don"t give them any more work than they have to. Being bullied is bad enough already, they don"t want the elders to be mad at them even more by causing trouble. Also the children might feel special by being the ones that are specially selected to carry out the suicide bombings as actually we are the ones, the Americans that are actually the cause behind their rage and hate. In the video at 18:34, one boy states that he saw his god written on a toilet paper to bring him anger and rage, no matter who wrote it.
Overall, I mean there have been children fighting in wars in the past, what makes this any more different, right?
ciccarellimarc

Con

Kevin, i agree with what you stated as to we do not know what is right or wrong. I disagree with what you said in this sentence, Also the children might feel special by being the ones that are specially selected to carry out the suicide bombings. I believe the children do not feel special. They are just told what to do by their elders and they listen. Their elders do not even tell them that they are going to be blown up into pieces, they tell them they are carrying secret documents. I believe they are just doing what they are told to do, because that is what most children do, they listen to what their elders say. When you stated, there have been children fighting in wars in the past, what makes this any more different? I agree when you said children have fought in wars in the past, but what makes this different is when children fought in wars they fought for their own country against another. In this war, people are using their own citizens to their own advantages and harming them. In fact they are harming children who are completely innocent and harmless. They are harming their own citizens just to carry out missions.
Debate Round No. 2
kxu65

Pro

In any war, there has to be a cost, and incident bystanders are going to get harmed no matter what happens with the war. That is just the reality of war. No one has to support wars. And in this war, the children are just part of the cost that everyone has to deal with. Yes, children are impressionable, and they are just carrying out what they are being told, but the children are also individuals with that can think for them, especially when they get to be teenagers. For the Taliban, as stated in 14:55, 80% of them are teenagers. For teenagers they might be doing this even if they are just following orders to be against the social norm, as like all teenagers do.
Also if the attacks were not mainly directed against the Americans since we are the ones at war with them, would we have a big of a problem as we do? For example what if the Taliban carried out the same thing with the child suicide bombing, during the 1980s when they were fighting with the Soviet Unions. Since we were not in the war, would people pay direct attention to the issue?
Also you don"t know that, this type of problems might be happing in all societies, cultures, and religions, and you don"t hear as much discussion about those.
No matter, what anybody does someone out there is going to have an issue with it one way or another.
ciccarellimarc

Con

I diagree with what you said when you said children are individuals who think for themselves. I believe children cannot think for themselves, they do not know any better and they basically just listen to whatever they are told. They brought in children because they are easily manipulative, and they cannot bring in adults because they know better. They know what suicide bombing is and they know they will die. Being easily manipulated, children do not know what they are in for, therefore they cannot think for themselves as well as adults can. They are told lies right from the beginning starting with school. They are told committing suicide is allowed, so they do not know what the adults know. I do agree with teenagers just wanting to fit in and following the norm as they are told so. In the Quran it says to not kill, why are these people killing their own citizens? Why would these people go against their own religion?
Debate Round No. 3
kxu65

Pro

Well in some incidences it may be better for the children to become suicide bombers for many different reasons. One you have to take a look from the point of view of the parents. Some of the parents when they sent off their children, they do not have the knowledge their child will be trained to become suicide bombers, thing might have changed. Another maybe they might not have a chance to not take their children to be educational and then become suicide bombers at the religious school. This may be due to the fact that the parents may have been threatened to have their child put into the school. Also I know that they many Islamic families they like to have a large family with many children. The parents might be poor since many Islamic countries are poor, and have too many children to feed, and this might be one of the only ways the parents will get by. The parents at the end, might get reward for sending off their children to the school. And so this way the child will actually/may have a better future with some sort of education because if they stayed back with the family the child may end up with nothing, and a terrible life. Also reason might be that the parents have knowledge beforehand this will happened, and the parents might be one of those ones that are enraged with the Americans, so having their child become suicide bombers might be the best or only way for them to get back their revenge. What can cause all hate, it begins with the state controlled medias in those country to make the individual think Americans are evil.
ciccarellimarc

Con

There is absolutely no way that it is ok for children to become suicide bombers. They are innocent and harmless and cause no harm to society. I believe they should not be involved, especially being lied too and committing suicide. In the school systems, multiple students are also being told that committing suicide is allowed which is totally wrong. It would be ok if they are fighting in the war, but they are just being killed by their own people and are being taken advantaged of. When you said this may be the only thing to do for the families because some may have a lot of kids to feed I kind of agree but then I do not. This happens often when there is too many children for parents to handle so they have to make decisions. But there is many more decisions to be made then what you said. They could of gave their child to a family who can support them, that is a much better reason. Also I do not think that the parents were threatened to put their kid into school. I think they sent their children to school and without knowing what the teachers teach them, like suicide is allowed, and they will go to paradise. Also one of the kids said gods name was written on toilet paper which is very disturbing and wrong. Overall, kids should not be suicide bombers because they are innocent and harmless and people are just taking advantage of them which is wrong.
Debate Round No. 4
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