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The Trinity

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Started: 11/19/2015 Category: Religion
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wsurin7

Pro

Though the word, "trinity"," is not in the Bible. We can only accept the Trinity in the way God pronounced himself in who He is in the Bible. Here is the text: Exodus 3:15Exodus 3:15King James Version (KJV)

15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations." This text affirms that the Trinity does exist. Please show evidence to disprove the Trinity either by scripture or by other sources. Thank you and I hope we can have a civil debate. God bless you brother or sister.
radz

Con

Exodus 3:15 does not reveal the Trinity.

There might be a triad of repetitions of the word 'God' but nonetheless, it does not show three distinct persons or else, would you argue that the God of Abraham is different from the God of Isaac and of Jacob as well?

The fact is that Exodus 3:15 does not differentiate between the persons of the Trinity. Rather, it does only speak of God as being the God of Jews.

The following are the scriptural passages that is against the doctrine of the Trinity:

(A)John 17:3 The Father is "the only true God."
(B)1 Corinthians 8:6 The Father is "the one God."
(C) 1 Timothy 2:5 Jesus Christ is "man" being differentiated with the "one God."

Questions:(A) If the Father alone is called " the only true God" in the entire New Testament, why ,then, do Trinitarians insist that the only true God is the Trinity?

Trinitarian ( Biblically inconsistent)

The Father (and the Son and the Holy Spirit) are the only true God ( No scriptural reference)

Unitarian ( Biblically consistent)

The Father = only true God ( explicit scriptural reference - John 17:3)

(B) If the Father is the one God and Jesus the Messiah is the one Lord ( Heb. adoni - Ps. 110:1), then, why do Trinitarians insist that Jesus is the one God as well? Wouldn't it identify Jesus as the Father?

The Father = one God
Jesus Christ = one Lord

Consider this analogy:Orange is not apple. Apple is not orange.

Thus, Jesus is not God (Almighty) and God is not Lord (Messiah)

(C) Why would Paul identify "man" and "God" separately in 1 Timothy 2:5? Why did Paul show that Jesus and God are different and not the same?

Jesus = The Man (not the one God)

one God = YHWH ( not Jesus the man)

The Father GAVE the Son the following:

All authority (Matthew 28:18).
Life in Himself (John 5:26).
Authority to Judge (John 5:27).
The Name Above Every Name (Philippians 2:9).

Why would God be given anything? Isn't God complete? If the Son is equal to the Father as Trinitarians believe, what ,then, does it mean for Christ to be "given" the divine nature,the divine name, and the divine authority?

NOTE

If Pro could provide a cogent rebuttal and a compelling scriptural evidence for the doctrine of the Trinity, then, Unitarianism would be refuted (at least in this debate). As simple as that.

ADVICE TO PRO

If you want to win this debate challenge, you ought to be very detailed and concise in your rebuttals.

The Trinity in Scripture is the focus of our debate.

Therefore, the burden of proof is on Pro to provide the following:

(1) Biblical usage of "one nature" and " three persons." ( We're expecting Greek words here)
(2) Biblical usage of the word " nature" and of the word "person." ( We're expecting Greek words here)
(3) Biblical passages that deal with the Trinity (e.g. mention of the F, S, and HS together = address how they are united)
(4) Quote or use reliable/authoritative sources (e.g. bible scholars, NT scholars/ or any first c century focused theologians like Larry Hurtado etc.)

Thank you for this debate challenge! Let's begin the debate and discussion!
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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by WCBC15 1 year ago
WCBC15
I wonder how this verse makes unitarians beliefs consistent...In John 14:9 Jesus says, "Don"t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.
Posted by Lager 1 year ago
Lager
Exodus 3:15 says nothing about trinity.All it says is for Moses to tell the Israelites that the god of their forefathers had sent him.
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