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KingEnder101
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bballcrook21
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The U.S. should fund the Kurds instead of the Iraqi's in the fight against ISIS

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bballcrook21
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 7/9/2015 Category: Politics
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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KingEnder101

Pro

This debate will be that America should fund the Kurds against ISIS. There will be 4 rounds in this order
1: Acceptance
2: Opening arguements
3: Counter arguements
4: final arguements/rebuttals
If you have anything against this, say so in the comments. Good luck.
bballcrook21

Con

I accept the challenge. I will be arguing that the U.S. should not fund the Kurds, nor should they fund anyone for that matter. I await your response.
Debate Round No. 1
KingEnder101

Pro

Thank you for accepting. I will open the debate with three arguements
1: Military Success. In the war against Isis, the Kurds have already done well even with limited resources. They have launched several successful campaigns, broken sieges, and have successfully defended themselves. Many of their weapons are outdated and don't have very much funding or weapon systems. So far in the war, the Kurds have been the main fight. Supporting them would give us a military ally in the Middle East and a key in the fight against terrorism and Islamic militants. So far, Iraqi government forces have had a limited field of success and they themselves are on the verge of being defeated by Isis
2: Allies
Assisting the Kurds, and should they win, would almost undoubtedly lead to the declaration of the nation of Kurdhistan. A creation of the nation would give us a key ally in the Middle East since our relationship with Isreal went sour. If we support them, they may be our allies.
3: Reason to fund at all
Funding the Kurds would give us a key asset in the Middle East. As most of us know, the Middle East is infested with terrorist organizations. Should the Kurds win, they will be a key ally and staging ground in the war. As another bonus, defeating ISIS would destroy one of the most powerful terrorist organizations in the world. If we do nothing, and Isis wins, they can launch terrorist attacks all over the world. Their very existence rallies several terrorist organizations, resulting in the recently occurring. And if they ally with Iran and get their hands on nuclear weapons, it would be the end of the modern world.
bballcrook21

Con

The Kurds have had very little success actually. ISIS now control almost all of Syria and has outreaches in Iran and Iraq.

Let me remind you that ISIS is using our weapons. On one shipment to the Kurds, we sent them 2300 armored Humvees, and all of them got taken by ISIS.

This fight with ISIS is going to take a lot of resources and manpower. To properly exterminate all of ISIS, the U.S. would have to kick Obama out, and get a real leader that actually uses the military. Then we would need to do constant air raids as well as put troops on the ground. This will be really costly.

Need I remind you, ISIS has captured most of Syria's oil, and is using this to generate money, which is working out really well for them.

Firstly, we already are helping the Kurds. We give them some weapons and some supplies, and that's it.

Both Al Qaeda and the Taliban were CIA trained. Al Qaeda was formed by Osama Bin Laden, who in the 1990s was trained by the CIA to overthrow the regional dictator and install a new one. When that was done, Bin Laden turned around and crashed a plane into our WTC towers.

Now, let's move on to "allies".
Kurdhistan will be nothing. A new nation, especially in the Middle East, will not survive. Firstly, they need a sizable population, they need an economy, a government, etc. We already have Israel as our ally, and seeing as Obama is out in 2017, the next President could fix our relations with them. Also, we are allies with Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and India. We have the Middle East locked down from both sides. Pakistan to the right, Saudi Arabia and Israel to the left.

Also, Kurdhistan needs land! The second a country gets founded, it would have to take over someone else's land. If Kurdhistan is attacked, and we help them directly, we would have to declare war for no reason, and the UN would surely get annoyed.

ISIS has no allies. Even Al Qaeda split from ISIS because ISIS was too radical. No one likes them!

One of two nuclear bombs should handle the problem really well.
Debate Round No. 2
KingEnder101

Pro

KingEnder101 forfeited this round.
bballcrook21

Con

The opponent forfeited Round 3. I will restate my main argument.

We funded the terrorist groups that we are fighting now. We cannot make the same mistakes with the Kurds. A little while ago, we delivered 2300 humvees to the rebels. One bullet went off and they went running. We literally ended up giving all those advanced armored vehicles to ISIS.
Debate Round No. 3
KingEnder101

Pro

KingEnder101 forfeited this round.
bballcrook21

Con

My opponent has forfeited the round once again.

The Kurds are a very oppressed people. They are very nationalistic, which always proves to be bad. If we arm the Kurds and give them a proper weaponry then they can turn against us.

Here is a quick history of the Kurds and it won't help to give them weapons.
http://www.aljazeera.com...

Both the Kurds and ISIS are militant Islamic groups. Helping any of them will prove to be bad in the future.
Debate Round No. 4
1 comment has been posted on this debate.
Posted by Thefightforfreedom 2 years ago
Thefightforfreedom
I wish I could vote. History, evidence, and logic wins!!
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Vote Placed by Theunkown 2 years ago
Theunkown
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